Joined: Jan '09
Location: Bosnia and Herzegovina
Age: 43 (M)
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Couple of days ago i played at betraiser after making couple of months break there.I won some money on sit&go tourm.Then i have decided to go on cash games.First thing i saw that on really low blinds 0.01/0.02e there was 1 guy on each of those tables who got like 25-30 E?I think maximum buy in was 2Eur.I said ok doesnt matter maybe guy just got lucky.I played there for 15 minutes and lost 2Eur against his 6-4 suited.Well that is not strange it happens a lot.Then i played again and again,it seems like every time guy knows my cards and what cards will be on flop.I have never seen anything like that.It was just impossible to beat him.I have tried all the strategies on him that i know.Bluffin,pasive play,agressiv play but i only lost like 4 euros there and decided to go on another table.The traffic there is always under 100 people,next thing i saw there was one guy on almost every cash table there and he was alone no one played there,as far as i could count he had around 2000eur on tables.That is not strange for sites who have high traffic but here hm i dont know.Anyway i went to 0.05/0.10eur tables.And again i find one guy who had around 90Eur on the table(maximum buyin was 10eur).And i wanted to try against him,i played passive game and waited for good card and after some time i got KK raised preflop like 2-3 Eur and he called me,flop was something like 73J and i have raised allin he called me,5 and Q came out and guess what he had 64 and hit str8.I mean call 3eur raise with 6-4??I said ok it could be just my bad luck,so i played again every time i had AK or AQ or AT and raised he called me and flop was always low cards but i mean always i think for 2 hours of playing i havent won against him not even one game .And with my last money there around 5 eur I got A T and raised for 1 eur and he called me.Flop was 9 9 A and i have raised for 1Eur he called,next card was10 and i raised allin he called and 5th card was Q and can u guess he had something like 38 suited and hit flush . After that i stayed there and watched the game,all the time that guy was winning against other players.He was unbeatable and i mean literally.I saw him calling high raises like 7-8 eur with 25 27 83 and he always win against AA or KK or any othere card.I have watched the game like 4 hours after i lost my money.for that 4 hours he got 4of kinds like 2 times and even Royal flush. Maybe i have imagine all this and everything there is 100% ok,but in my life,i play poker like 4 years,i have never met a guy who cant lose.I think something fishy there.If someone else had this kind of experience there please share it.
Wow, thats pretty crazy, although I have seen fish get on really hot rushes where they seem to connect on every flop holding ATC which makes it impossible to put em on a range esp when they have VPIP 60+. They can be very frustrating to play against but if you're patient they will pay you off nearly everytime with middle pair lol. Plus its not that unusual to have 5+BI's at a single table, just last night i got into a huge pot vs fish, both of us more or less 250BB's, he stacked off to me with trips to my fullhouse (lol i know), we both flopped trip 10's and the turn was the K to give me the nuts & he was still betting & raising like crazy with only trips & a bad kicker, well needless to say i left that table with just short of 6 BI's (i've never managed this before... but i can see how its possible) Ive never played on Betraiser though... its on the Ipoker network right? I used to play there alot & yes there is alot of lucky fish on there who play ATC cuz they pretty or soooted, but it is very possible to beat these ppl & if you can't beat them, theres only 1 single explanation.... you suck at pokerz.
Joined: Feb '08
Location: Ireland
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strange but then why sit at his table ......... obviously hes doing something right and with a stack that size even if you buy in to the max youre going to be at a big disadvantage sitting down at a table with him ..... and if you seen him on a few different tables with similar size stacks alarm bells should be going off ... its can be difficult to increase youre stack to that amount at one table but to do it at several tables .. why risk youre chips ... find a table where he is not sitting at
And if something untoward was going on dont try and beat him as it seems obvious that it wouldnt work so why blow youre money trying .........
Joined: Jan '09
Location: Bosnia and Herzegovina
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Posted by Mast3rKush: Wow, thats pretty crazy, although I have seen fish get on really hot rushes where they seem to connect on every flop holding ATC which makes it impossible to put em on a range esp when they have VPIP 60+. They can be very frustrating to play against but if you're patient they will pay you off nearly everytime with middle pair lol. Plus its not that unusual to have 5+BI's at a single table, just last night i got into a huge pot vs fish, both of us more or less 250BB's, he stacked off to me with trips to my fullhouse (lol i know), we both flopped trip 10's and the turn was the K to give me the nuts & he was still betting & raising like crazy with only trips & a bad kicker, well needless to say i left that table with just short of 6 BI's (i've never managed this before... but i can see how its possible) Ive never played on Betraiser though... its on the Ipoker network right? I used to play there alot & yes there is alot of lucky fish on there who play ATC cuz they pretty or soooted, but it is very possible to beat these ppl & if you can't beat them, theres only 1 single explanation.... you suck at pokerz.
250BBs on table where the big blind is 0,02 is around 5Eur and max buy in is 2eur,he had chipstack around 1500 BBs.So in game with lets say BBs 0.5/1.0E that would be 1500Eur????Take good look at cash tables and if you find any table that has player with 1500BBs there i will admit that i am fish and donk and that i have no idea how to play poker.And i think Betraiser is not part of Ipoker network.It is licensed by the government of the Netherland Antilles and does not says anything about being part od Ip... or any other network.I have never seen something like that and that is why i wanted to sit for table and see what is going on,and unfortunately that was big mistake.If you dont trust me try it for yourself.Go to any of cash tables and you will see one guy on each table with unbelievable chipstack and you will lose very fast no matter what u have in your hands.I am not the only one i think.I have also read somewhere on the net about those unbeatable guys at Betraiser.
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
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I am correct in reading the traffic is generally under 100 people? In total? That for me screams all sorts of alarm bells. I'm far from being a rigtard.. In fact, I'll be the first to make fun of the people claiming 'rigged poker'. But traffic off 100 is not right. Sounds dodge like pitbull poker or something. That I could not trust. They'd be making pittance off that kind of traffic. I'd be very willing to accept unfair play on a site that sat at around 100 people online..
Joined: Nov '09
Location: Poland
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I don't know why BRM support betraiser... It's really weird ... people out there play only freerolls ... so betraiser only loose and it's from 2 years already and all the time there is only 100 people who play the freerolls.... So who knows... and about that guy... on betraiser i saw everything ^^ the flush is the most common thing out there...
Joined: Nov '09
Location: Philippines
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lucky for me that site never allowed our country for real money games... but in fairness, i guess somebody should made a stop at those type of networks... coz in my own opinion; it is impossible to have that type of run, i mean its crazy... maybe BRM could look into that matter...
Joined: Jan '09
Location: Bosnia and Herzegovina
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Posted by jessthehuman: I am correct in reading the traffic is generally under 100 people? In total? That for me screams all sorts of alarm bells. I'm far from being a rigtard.. In fact, I'll be the first to make fun of the people claiming 'rigged poker'. But traffic off 100 is not right. Sounds dodge like pitbull poker or something. That I could not trust. They'd be making pittance off that kind of traffic. I'd be very willing to accept unfair play on a site that sat at around 100 people online..
P.S Paragraphs are your friend
Yes u are right, atm there is 81 people at tables.And it is weekend peek time.
Some of these small sites don't always have the resources to update and improve their network, so the end result is that people can get away with shady practices. If this was the same guy on every table u played at, and his win/loss was nearly perfect over that length of time u say u played and watched, then a few things come to mind. Super user account/ bot program/ data mining, security breach, etc, etc.
Joined: Jun '09
Location: Bosnia and Herzegovina
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wouuuu.that is really strange...I was playing a couple of freerols there,but I never managed to win anything....And I always asked mysels,how the hell they can earn anything,when they at this moment they have 85 players online,including me And I think there are not players,those are bots by the software,or players from there company,who can see cards and fix flops,so they always win,and cannot lose. That is my opinion....what do you think,could this be possible....
Joined: Jan '10
Location: United States
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Posted by ogysss: Couple of days ago i played at betraiser after making couple of months break there.I won some money on sit&go tourm.Then i have decided to go on cash games.First thing i saw that on really low blinds 0.01/0.02e there was 1 guy on each of those tables who got like 25-30 E?I think maximum buy in was 2Eur.I said ok doesnt matter maybe guy just got lucky.I played there for 15 minutes and lost 2Eur against his 6-4 suited.Well that is not strange it happens a lot.Then i played again and again,it seems like every time guy knows my cards and what cards will be on flop.I have never seen anything like that.It was just impossible to beat him.I have tried all the strategies on him that i know.Bluffin,pasive play,agressiv play but i only lost like 4 euros there and decided to go on another table.The traffic there is always under 100 people,next thing i saw there was one guy on almost every cash table there and he was alone no one played there,as far as i could count he had around 2000eur on tables.That is not strange for sites who have high traffic but here hm i dont know.Anyway i went to 0.05/0.10eur tables.And again i find one guy who had around 90Eur on the table(maximum buyin was 10eur).And i wanted to try against him,i played passive game and waited for good card and after some time i got KK raised preflop like 2-3 Eur and he called me,flop was something like 73J and i have raised allin he called me,5 and Q came out and guess what he had 64 and hit str8.I mean call 3eur raise with 6-4??I said ok it could be just my bad luck,so i played again every time i had AK or AQ or AT and raised he called me and flop was always low cards but i mean always i think for 2 hours of playing i havent won against him not even one game .And with my last money there around 5 eur I got A T and raised for 1 eur and he called me.Flop was 9 9 A and i have raised for 1Eur he called,next card was10 and i raised allin he called and 5th card was Q and can u guess he had something like 38 suited and hit flush . After that i stayed there and watched the game,all the time that guy was winning against other players.He was unbeatable and i mean literally.I saw him calling high raises like 7-8 eur with 25 27 83 and he always win against AA or KK or any othere card.I have watched the game like 4 hours after i lost my money.for that 4 hours he got 4of kinds like 2 times and even Royal flush. Maybe i have imagine all this and everything there is 100% ok,but in my life,i play poker like 4 years,i have never met a guy who cant lose.I think something fishy there.If someone else had this kind of experience there please share it.
Wow that crazy man.. sounds like theres something a little fishy going on there im glad you brought it to our attention will never try that place out
Joined: Dec '08
Location: Netherlands
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Played at Betraiser about 1 year ago, tried a few times to win a $10 freeroll and once I won, I lost the money in a similar way. So nothing changed, i see .
For those who wonder how they make any money, I've heard they take 10% of your winnings when you cash out. Can anyone confirm this?
Joined: Dec '09
Location: Romania
Age: 33 (M)
Posts: 587
this is b******t guys ... and SHHHHHH ... i like that site =)) lmao i made some nice profits there ... a lot of them are from romania and it's soo easy to take there money ... altough you see a flush draw every hand ... it's a way to play poker that way too ... the poker software is fucked up ... at cash tables ... if you go all in , you can't see him cards ... an in 1 second it's all over ... you just see who takes the pot BUT ... where can you find 100 euro freeroll with 130 people ... top 10 pays but only about 60/70 people plays ... the rest are away :O:O ... the stupid ones goes all in ... about 30 of them in the first 10 min ... so it's a 40 players tournament ... easy money guys ... another weird thing ... you can enter a table only with the amount of money you previously got out last time so if you enter 0.2/0.4 with 4 euro ... that is maximum when you start the day ... if you get out with 20 euro ... after some hours at that stakes you can enter only with 20 euro what is your nickname dozn01 there? anyway i just took 2nd place last night for a 50 euro freeroll ... 10 euro )
------------ previously i had only 4 euro on that site ... enterd a table ... KK got one caller ... flop A K 5 went all in ... he had A J ... the turn and river was easy to know ...
Joined: Jan '09
Location: New Zealand
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Posted by dozn01: you said ..............I have watched the game like 4 hours after i lost my money.for that 4 hours he got 4of kinds like 2 times and even Royal flush.
wow 4 hours wernt there owt on tv to watch
Why waste your time watching a game for so long, just do something else and leave the place
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Posted by Joe_Average: Played at Betraiser about 1 year ago, tried a few times to win a $10 freeroll and once I won, I lost the money in a similar way. So nothing changed, i see .
For those who wonder how they make any money, I've heard they take 10% of your winnings when you cash out. Can anyone confirm this?
yes they do ... i think its fair to take 10 % on your profit not on every buy-in ... i was wondering the same thing about the site ... if they pay , how can they work with so less people ... when i started playing and won some money from freerolls ... never deposit there but a few withdrawals they have a sports book , casino and games i think ... maybe they have more users to casino :-?? anyway , i tried to place a bet there but its so complicated i didn't managed to do it ... so only poker ... mostly freeroll ... because its almost the same like a buy-in tournament =)) 15 min blinds ... a really nice freeroll
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and i have raised for 1Eur he called,next card was10 
so if you enter 0.2/0.4 with 4 euro ... that is maximum when you start the day ... if you get out with 20 euro ... after some hours at that stakes you can enter only with 20 euro 
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