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Posted by JeVoOOo: ^^ Shoving increases your fold equity and, even if he calls you're a massive favourite...
I think you're banging your head against a wall here doomdy, they don't understand.
Nah not banging loll, i dont mind But it works like this: People see the outcome off the hand ----> busto, so they r looking for a reason wot went wrong, still if ur trying to explain ''the hand was played ok, just variance'', they still will find a reason wot went wrong, wot i shud done diffirently, ''if i flatcall i cud have go away'', ''if i fold preflop i am still alive'', they forget its about playing EV+ not only this 1 game. Its about playing EV+, that i suckout is no problem for me, i banging myself if i fold QQ preflop or flatcall QQ this 1, true then i was still alive in this game, maybe i even cashed in this 1, but that doesnt mean its more EV+ to do versus shoving. I didnt expect this hand was such an issue, for me this is a no brainer, if the player wasnt a maniac i cud fold this 1, but flatcall? Argh no please.
Ur absolutaly right about the fold-equidity, u must see the powers of a push in this example and use fold equidity to the max
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man, thats gotta suck real bad. you cant really do anything against desperate players though. jus soak it up and wipe the tears off. i guess. thats 110% looser fish play getting lucky.
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Posted by pokkerimees: always frustrating to lose with QQ or KK to Ax, but you had pretty good stack and 3 more players to go, so next time in DoN, fold. Kipper was pushing shorty, caligara. you could wait til caligara,lowstackmack and perhaps Brucealmighty drop out against donkKipper
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Yes, i think too, that anyone, who has different opinion in anything, is a muppet and should play diddlewiggely or smtng. Down different opinions, because we all others are so smart.
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Posted by pokkerimees: Yes, i think too, that anyone, who has different opinion in anything, is a muppet and should play diddlewiggely or smtng. Down different opinions, because we all others are so smart.
$100 stakes are a bit diffirent then $5 stakes (not that i wud played it diffirent on $5 stakes). Did u ever play a DoN? Did u ever play a $50 DoN or a $100 DoN? Its not 6 left and 1 shorty then its a no brainer fold, its 8 left 2 shortys, 1 semi shorty and i am in 4th U still say i had to fold this 1?
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Yes, i played Dons, even more than regular SnG. My point here was not about poker, but about if different opinion is allowed without getting called muppet and so on. And no, i havent played 50 or 100 Dons, way over my league. And im not going to explain MY( i repeat, only my, not right or wrong) point of wiew here anymore. And next time before having opinion, i check, what others say first. Is THAT ok or should i just shut it. And about folding, i already said somwhere before, that i couldnt fold probably.
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pokkerrimees he was pushing nearly any2 was rlly loose player (if you read whole post) so he can have even worser hand then Ax... It was instant push you just can't fold here and pray u will got lucky and people will drop out. In mostof time short will have a coin flip with others which is 50% so some of them will double up. And if there is maniac who push every hand they can have him dominated and even triple up by him. I don't think on 100$ dons there are playing only idiots who will bust out like in lower fast and easy...
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B4 attaqcking @pokkerrimees I think you should read it @ZmxPowah he is raising every hand, now take on pokkerrimees ppoint that he is attackin SSs, 2 almos 3 at the table, pretty sure soon it would e down to 6 man.. Instant push? Is call not an option if knowing he plays A* and is willing to call an all in, reduce your risk and see the flop IMO. Yes with QQ you can expect to be way ahead. But all in risking your stack against him is pointless in a DoN its about surviving not being the hero. If you have a good read on him then you can fold on an A board, outherwise all in and know your ahead. Against a normall playr QQ is instant all in. But Vs the A rag manic, play wise. F**k I formed an oppnion who going to attac it
