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I just closed my poker account at FTP. Not random not fair and congratulations to Fergie for making such obvious number generator. Thank god for online hand histories.
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Why did you close your account exactly? Are they not using an random generator? Because FTP is highly recommended by many pokerplayers. Please explain your decision.
i like FTP as well but I must say that I often see myself being a favourite going all-in just to see myself losing the hand. But of course that will happen when i try to play extremely tight. But sometimes its just too often
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Posted by Bizla: seems ok for me?
xD lol i like that last rush on your graph ! GG
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Posted by Tchungpo:
Posted by Bizla: seems ok for me?
xD lol i like that last rush on your graph ! GG
By the way guys, stop saying a lobby is s**t because of badbeat (i made it too, dont worry, so i understand, but i think there is no way : you play poker, you gotta accept that there is a damn variance, making you swing up and down.... that's what will make difference : you beat the dowswing and you are good enough )
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Posted by Predobar: I just closed my poker account at FTP. Not random not fair and congratulations to Fergie for making such obvious number generator. Thank god for online hand histories.
what a dumb post. Why would so many ultra high stakes players play at FTP if your claim is true. Time to face it, you just no good. Hey, I'm not a winning player atm either.. but I CAN ADMIT it. Do this (admit it) or you'll never get better. Stop looking everywhere else except your own play for reasons why you lose.
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Posted by Predobar: I just closed my poker account at FTP. Not random not fair and congratulations to Fergie for making such obvious number generator. Thank god for online hand histories.
I think that full tilt poker room is the second best after pokerstars. but when you lose you always believe in conspiracies and other fantasies.
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Posted by Predobar: I just closed my poker account at FTP. Not random not fair and congratulations to Fergie for making such obvious number generator. Thank god for online hand histories.
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Posted by Predobar: I just closed my poker account at FTP. Not random not fair and congratulations to Fergie for making such obvious number generator. Thank god for online hand histories.
i dont bout you man, but to me it seems that ftp is the best site yet... it may have some flaws but its not as bad as other sites...
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Posted by shokaku:
Posted by Predobar: I just closed my poker account at FTP. Not random not fair and congratulations to Fergie for making such obvious number generator. Thank god for online hand histories.
Switch to Pokerstars.
Lol, a good one. Talking about PS, why do they have to give a bad beat always at river? Do they have a contract with psychiatrists, so that people kill their nerves and need treatment, lol.
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I enjoy playing at FTP. i didn't earn any cash, only looses.... but i'm still playing and i try to improve. Of course, i'm a donkey & i had a a lot of badbeats but i'm not sick of FTP
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Posted by Predobar: I just closed my poker account at FTP. Not random not fair and congratulations to Fergie for making such obvious number generator. Thank god for online hand histories.
I dont like Full Tilt but i never say its rigged, cant believe ur posting this. Post the HH ur talking about, but i am 100% sure ur not gonna do this, cos there arent rigged HH....
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Posted by GIOMi6: Why did you close your account exactly? Are they not using an random generator? Because FTP is highly recommended by many pokerplayers. Please explain your decision.
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Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by Predobar: I just closed my poker account at FTP. Not random not fair and congratulations to Fergie for making such obvious number generator. Thank god for online hand histories.
what a dumb post. Why would so many ultra high stakes players play at FTP if your claim is true. Time to face it, you just no good. Hey, I'm not a winning player atm either.. but I CAN ADMIT it. Do this (admit it) or you'll never get better. Stop looking everywhere else except your own play for reasons why you lose.
This is not based on my winning or losing streak. This decision is not badbeat related it is more complex than simple badbeat frequency, therefore "thank god for online hand histories". Fergie tried to do something more creative but it takes more than pure knowledge to do something right. If BRM supported private messaging maybe I could explain this into detail to someone but writing pointers of what I think is happening would also prevent me from proving it. Maybe if PM`s were available I would explain into details to persons I trust that are not shills for FTP or some other poker site, what things to look for and how to look for.
As for ultra high stakes players, sites dont need to temper with high stakes games because rake is maxed even with only limped blinds seeing the flop. Tempering with high stakes RNG would be EV-. Also, dont forget that most of those pros are sponsored by poker sites.
About me being winning or losing player. What possible incentive could I have to get into discussion about my poker skill with someone who is not thinking logically and whos best friend is prejudice. There is a reason for your prejudice but since its pointless to reason with you, why bother. But if you really want to know, my first downswing was on FTP, my longest downswing, my biggest downswing was on FTP (buyin ratio downswing) and most frequent downswings I have are taking place on FTP. Take only that into consideration, regardless of what I think of their RNG, and what positive logic mindset could I have to waste more time on that site. When that conclusion is made, what possible reason would be for me to have FTP account opened, and the fact that I don`t longer believe, believe is the key word, their games are fair and random is putting me in position where I can no longer agree with FTP Terms and conditions of that site, therefore I asked them to close my account.
Simple as that, nothing more. I thought I should write this down into forum just to remind myself, so think of this thread as a reminder.
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Posted by doomdy:
Posted by Predobar: I just closed my poker account at FTP. Not random not fair and congratulations to Fergie for making such obvious number generator. Thank god for online hand histories.
I dont like Full Tilt but i never say its rigged, cant believe ur posting this. Post the HH ur talking about, but i am 100% sure ur not gonna do this, cos there arent rigged HH....
doomdy, i appreciate your post and i have great respect to you as a poker player. Single hand history wont prove a thing, therefore no hand histories. Read beginning of reply to jesse, maybe that will explain why I said what i said. Also read end of jesse reply and you`ll see why i made that thread in the first place.
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Posted by shokaku:
Posted by Predobar: I just closed my poker account at FTP. Not random not fair and congratulations to Fergie for making such obvious number generator. Thank god for online hand histories.
Switch to Pokerstars.
LOL, to switch from one Cigital certified site to another? Good one.
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Posted by Predobar: doomdy, i appreciate your post and i have great respect to you as a poker player. Single hand history wont prove a thing, therefore no hand histories. Read beginning of reply to jesse, maybe that will explain why I said what i said. Also read end of jesse reply and you`ll see why i made that thread in the first place.
Well, Full Tilt is the only site i was playing, on which i never made profit, only break even, on all sites i played i made profit (I dont count 1 or 2 busted NDB deals, i only count the sites i deposit my own bankroll on). But cant blame my FullTilt swing on the RNG they use
I just dont believe in doomswitch/action flop/rigged theoryson very big sites
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I understand your rational that if FTP is where you are experience you're biggest negative variance then why bother playing there.
However, I know enough about probability theory and mathamatics in general to know the for some people playing online poker they are going to suffer an absurd and incredible amount of bad luck and the same probabliity theory would indicate that an even more select group of people will experience a ridiculous level of negative variance on only one site and not on other. Fact is there's so many millions of people playing online that some people are going to be experiencing s**t that has a million to one chance of being random as apposed to manipulated.
But I don't buy it, what you're saying, or alluding to, about FTP. Fine if you closed your account, but I think if you're making the allegations you are (even if you simply state it as 'your beliefe' as if that makes it ok) then you need to back it up with some evidence other than a couple sentences about how you're pretty sure you're on to something.
And herein lies the problem with everybody who makes claims about rigged RNG's, etc - they almost never provide evidence to back up the claim. I am a scientist by nature and until somebody can at the very least obtain and reverse engineer the algorithms/RNG code and provide factual evidence of these types of occurances (on large sites to - I honestly wouldn't be surprised to hear about some of the smaller operations being rigged) then I'm going to have to assume innocent until proven guilty.
edit: Also, some of what you wrote sounded borderline skitzophrenic. And I'm not having a go at you there.
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but i'm still playing and i try to improve. Of course, i'm a donkey & i had a a lot of badbeats but i'm not sick of FTP
