An american with the alias "zeko1985" got tired of spending long hours in front of the computer and decided to program his very own poker robot. The poker robot was doing extremely well almost straight away and in 30 months the robot had won over $220,000 for him.
Many players who had played against zeko1985 suspected that something was going on and decided to contact the poker site in question. [...] Read more » American programmed own poker robot and won $220,00!
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Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by shokaku:
Posted by jessthehuman: I admit it's unfair, but if you think an unskilled player could program a successful poker bot, you're in fantasy land.
Even if it takes skill to cheat, it is still cheating. And the rooms have to take it serious, or the player base will erode.
Oh I'm not saying it isn't cheating. I completely agree. But I think that (as apposed to people who just use bots) people who program bots are very clever, most likely good at poker, programming and life in general. And it just bothers me that people don't seem to respect or appreciate the craft and genius that goes into them. TBH - most people probably aren't intelligent enough to actually appreciate something as well designed as a winning poker bot.
its going slightly offtopic imo. no one said you just have to be a good programer.. its simple cheating. why would i appreciate something i cant compete with....no humans emotions involved like being tired, tilting, being busy at another table and much other stuff. that you need true pokerskills to program such a bot is no secret..
edit: without the bot you just cant keep that high level.
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at the poker sites we can every day play at the tables there no people play but bots robots and over programes plays against u and they allways on the wining way goes its sometimes feel likethey change all in the dealing system and won easy ....... its sad but its true
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lol
he is just a 2+2 troll
whoring for attention.
there are def. bots out there(mostly on ipoker) but no one could ever win such an amount of money.
all the bots i know about are small loosing or breakeven "players" and are only profitable because of rakeback.
better stick to the blackjack bots,sign up at a casino take the first deposit bonus and let the bot clear it for u while you are at work or sleeping. the bots playing perfect bj(not that hard^^) wich means u will almost everytime end up with a profit after the bonus is cleared.
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thx Pjot for the answer. No answer by chating is normal i disable the chat in most times too. BTW when zero got the skill to playin poker he is more an idiot as before and for jessthehuman i think to make a bot for poker you don´t need skill to playin poker you need the rules and the skill to program the bot
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Posted by awood88: I think maybe there should be a site where robots can play each other and humans who think they can beat them.
It called FullTilt . But that would be intresting, id sit down and play a bot, im suree iv spotted many in my time, most are a push over once you sus them out.
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ok i see i have to be more specific.... guess its clear that you have to be a very good "programer" to program a bot....and not just a pokerplayer lol
i thought, by rules he meant having extraordinary pokerknowledge (cos his engl doenst seem to be that good).
of course...not every donk is able to program a "winning bot" even if hes the best programer on earth.
just nvm
i personaly think its a unfair advantage - thats all. because its easier for a bot to recognizie and keep in mind what kind of hands and in which position the players play.. if thats even possible ? if not today then in a a few years for sure.. but even without that...theres no human emotions involved.
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good programmer or not, skilled in poker knowledge or not doesnt matter.
Just because you know some poker rules and good moves doesnt mean you can follow them or be able to be a winning player. My knowledge is better than my bankroll too *loooooooooooool*
Its one thing to tell your bot to do a specific thing in a specific situation and do the same after you played poker for 6 hours and do the same thing on your own.
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iim shocked that hes defending his cheating with stupid comments, and he'll surely be playing again with a different account / different sites.
Posted by jessthehuman: I admit it's unfair, but if you think an unskilled player could program a successful poker bot, you're in fantasy land. The skill and knowledge (of programming AND poker) required to make a successful bot.. lol @ your response is all i can say.
u r right it takes a lot of skill making one but guess how much skill it takes buying one ??????
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Posted by SuperNoob: iim shocked that hes defending his cheating with stupid comments, and he'll surely be playing again with a different account / different sites.
Posted by jessthehuman: I admit it's unfair, but if you think an unskilled player could program a successful poker bot, you're in fantasy land. The skill and knowledge (of programming AND poker) required to make a successful bot.. lol @ your response is all i can say.
u r right it takes a lot of skill making one but guess how much skill it takes buying one ??????
I am only talking about making one. I care not for people who buy them
I am a little biased on this, I am a programmer and i am looking at studying and getting into AI - which is exactly the sort of thing we are talking about here.. And as somebody else mentioned - computer chess. Only one computer and chess program was EVER able to defeat the world champion chess player...
I am fascinated by bots and AI in general.. Don't get me wrong, I think it is DEFINITELY cheating and should DEFINITELY be banned. So please don't think otherwise. But as somebody who can comprehend what goes into programming artificial intelligence and the complexity of something that can actually defeat a human/thinking opponent.. All i can say is I can RESPECT the ability to program a winning bot. Because trust me, whoever created this, is smarter than 99.5% of us here. Whether you like it or not.
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Posted by B1gfoot:
Posted by awood88: I think maybe there should be a site where robots can play each other and humans who think they can beat them.
It called FullTilt . But that would be intresting, id sit down and play a bot, im suree iv spotted many in my time, most are a push over once you sus them out.
This is the thing and what interests me so much about a *WINNING* poker bot.. Once you start to recognize the literally programmed patterns of a bot, it should be relatively easy to defeat. A classic example is a bot using 'pot odds' to make all it's decisions.. Just keep over betting the pot, blowing it's odds away and making it fold. There's many tricks to defeat a bot and it shouldn't be that hard.. The art of poker is knowing your opponents and the timing of making moves.. To actually make a bot that can *think* on this level and defeat human opponents and become a winning 'player' is fascinating.
Edited by jessthehuman (24 October 2010 @ 09:21 GMT)
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this is a FAKE - 100%, why he should make his success public? If true, he would open discretly a new account or move forward to other sites.
BUT for sure, there are bots out, since years, on the low limit fish tables - but we will never know and hear about them, because nobody is really interested to do something against them as long as they do not earn too much and create enough rake
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I doubt the claims he is making of how much he has made. I also don't think it is okay for him to have a bot playing for him on a site which specifically bans bots. I have played against "players" I felt were bots and I didn't like the fact that I can't get under the guy's skin - to irritate him to tilt. With a real person you can do this on occasion and reap the rewards, but the bot doesn't care what you did to it three hands ago, this hand is totally separate.
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dont understand why people even try with bots and robots and risk closing accounts!and then they ask why!if you dont have time to play,take a break,dont use programs to play instead of you!
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Posted by dule-vu: dont understand why people even try with bots and robots and risk closing accounts!and then they ask why!if you dont have time to play,take a break,dont use programs to play instead of you!
I think it's a little different for programmers.. It's about the challenge then. But otherwise I completely agree with you - in regards to people who simply use bots.
its very unfair if somebody is using things like robots to win. poker is a mind game and programmed robots do not tire and commit mistakes like humans. hope online players will be fair and online poker rooms investigate fairly on this matter
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A bot would be an interesting opponent. If you knew you were playing one, theoretically you could break it the same way good card counters break blackjack. I'm not a programmer, but I would imagine that a bot would basically play the game by the math, and a good player/mathematician could figure out the "rules" it plays by then exploit those rules. For example, if you bluff and the bot calls, you know to shut down. On the other hand, if you have the nuts and it is calling, you go all in. With that said, a bot would have the advantage, as many others here have said, of a lack of emotions, which is what seem to ruin my game.
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It's probably made-up by rival sites to put FT in a bad spot, because zeko1985 is actually acusing the site for knowing about the bot but letting him do it for the rake profit they obtained in the process.
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