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I don´t care about these Trackers and never use such software.
A good player knows to change his play and so these Trackers are useless.
OK if you play 10 or more tables at the same time they might bring you a little advantage because you don´t have time to read the table, but if you don´t multitable, you find the fish very soon without software ( or you are the fish ).
Joined: Jan '10
Location: United Kingdom
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I dunno bud, never looked really deep into it. I know you can buy packages of say 1million hands,2m,5m,10m or all the hh they have. Presume just random players and regs collected over a set period? Not sure
Joined: Nov '09
Location: Poland
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I think datamining is bad thing. It give much advantage. stibbefritz your wrong. When u're playing some unk your giving him credit mostly of time. He can easy 3bet light u if he have base on your game and you don't know what to do vs unk playing like that.
Joined: Feb '10
Location: Finland
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Posted by B1gfoot: I dont like it, and as yet not done it, do you get random hands of random players, or can you pick a player and get all his/her hands?
You can buy all the hands you want of separate players from PTR. imo, one needs to take poker very seriously to buy data of hands. To note out the patterns takes a lot of time and I would not do it, well, unless Id live off only from poker one day.
Datamined hands should not be allowed, but at the same time, probably 35-40 percent of "regular" players have datamined histories in their trackers. Once your playing mid to high stakes, that number's closer to 75 to 80 percent.
Not much u can do about it, except play at sites that do not allow HEM's like cake poker.
Joined: May '08
Location: Sweden
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Posted by $k: im sorry but what is it? is it like putting someone on a range of cards?
From what I understand, it's like collecting data on your opponents in pokersoftware. Info that you can use on them later. Sometimes it can be, I think, done without actually playing against them, with just the table open. Or maybe even bought and sold between players.
Me, I think all programs that help people to play better against me is wrong.
One day I might get good enough to understand these programs, and use them my self, and then I will problably change my point of wiew, thinking they are very good and right.
Joined: Mar '08
Location: United Kingdom
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Posted by Kristan:
Posted by B1gfoot: I dont like it, and as yet not done it, do you get random hands of random players, or can you pick a player and get all his/her hands?
You can buy all the hands you want of separate players from PTR. imo, one needs to take poker very seriously to buy data of hands. To note out the patterns takes a lot of time and I would not do it, well, unless Id live off only from poker one day.
Nice to know, I might have to buy my own, changing trackers made a few 100k hands or so vanish, Im sure they are on my comp still but not in the right folders, cheers.
Joined: Feb '08
Location: United States
Age: 48 (M)
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I don't like them, but don't you have to either subscribe to a service or buy the software? It's just another way that people have found to make money off of someone else. It's capitalism at it's best.
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Location: Philippines
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Posted by shoveandtilt: Ok, just a little one to test the waters, what are your opinions on people using datamined hands in HEM etc etc, think it's ok or plain wrong...?
My opinion is that it's wrong...but that's just my 2cents.
Don't see any advantage in using them but it's just an opinion; I would like to use one which tells me what cards will be held next hand to all players
Joined: Aug '08
Location: Sweden
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Posted by MANUEDO: Don't see any advantage in using them but it's just an opinion; I would like to use one which tells me what cards will be held next hand to all players
Are you for real? There is huge advantages in using datamined hands. You don't only play the cards, you play the player. Having knowledge of who's playing tight thus only with premium hands and who's loose will help increase your winnings and decrease your losses.
