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I'm thinking about playing SNGs(1$=0,80+0,20) on Partypoker. But is the rake to high to building a bankroll or is it worth to play them. sorry for my bad english.
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Party poker has always had the worst levels of rake. Especially at the low limits, you're right that it's a lot harder to make a profit as a casual player. However Party also has some of the best promotions and it's rewards for loyalty are much higher than others. Of course if you don't play at party poker all day, splashing out a lot in rake and risking huge parts of your bankroll on the very swingy tables, then you're not going to get much back.
I only play at this room when they offer me a bonus too good to refuse because I hate the software, hate the players and hate the rake. I'm playing there now constantly to make the most of their latest offer, but can't wait to leave the room and go back to better rooms.
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Posted by Johivae: I has also heard that the rake at FTP on micro limits cashgames are huge is it true?
I don't know about cash games - ain't played on ftp micro limits for a long time and even then it's difficult to tell. To be honest when the blinds are that small, the game is usually too swingy to even take rake seriously. Playing at 0.25/0.50 blinds rake is important though and can make a huge difference.
I'm not sure about how bad the ring game rake is but they have sngs for $1 and 10c rake. This is not bad at all considering most rooms have 20c rake on $1 dollar games. Party is the only room I've seen charge 25% rake though.
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yeah its worth it playing at that sort of stakes, but then on the other hand if u dont have the bankroll u cant play at higher stakes. i think its a win win situation for the poker networks
but if you take it from another view - i have just finished the NDB on party - i was just breakeven - but they offered me 150 dollars in bonus for 200 dollars in rake (75% rakeback + they gave me 800 points in clickcards - what i can change for 20 dollars, and i ciollected 400 points - additional 10 dollars. So they gave me 90% rakeback on ND offer - thats great. And in addition, there were a lot of nice promotions and freerolls.
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Posted by AbuDhabi: but if you take it from another view - i have just finished the NDB on party - i was just breakeven - but they offered me 150 dollars in bonus for 200 dollars in rake (75% rakeback + they gave me 800 points in clickcards - what i can change for 20 dollars, and i ciollected 400 points - additional 10 dollars. So they gave me 90% rakeback on ND offer - thats great. And in addition, there were a lot of nice promotions and freerolls.
You're sure it was like that? Because it's sound really weird. Anyway Sng on Party is Fail. Don't play them there... rake is taking most profit out of them. You should look for other sites with lesser rake.Bonuses can't help with the high rake on SNG. But playing cash there is much better option.
sure for what? I think that I can count my bonus NDB 150 dollars for whole 400 PP (that means 200 raked dollars) 75% rakeback, or valueback, or whatever you want to call it
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Posted by Johivae: I has also heard that the rake at FTP on micro limits cashgames are huge is it true?
On cash games they take 1c every 15c up to 5c/10c NL/PL, on 10c/25c and 25c/50c they take 1c for every 20c in the pot.But they have rakeback.
On topic:
Party Poker is the worst site to build a brankroll playing SnG from microstakes. 25% is a robbery, and the blind structure is a edge killer, and to get a good deal you need to play huge volume, almost impossible on micros.
iPoker is the 2nd worst, charge 20%, but have a killer blind structure too, but have regular speed ones, Party don't.
Everest is ok, but the traffic is to low if you want to play high volume, they charge only 10% on micros.
FTP is the best option if you have an account with rakeback. 20%, good structure, and rakeback will help a lot from start.
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Most new players really underestimate the effect a large rake can have on their win/loss rate.
Since most new players play the smallest stakes some poker sites take the opportunity to charge the low stakes players astronomically large rake
Full Tilt Poker charge 6.67% rake on all cash tables of 10NL and below - and up until about 18 months ago it was a full 10%. Which made the tables virtually impossible to beat.
most sites charge 5% and with a rakeback account this can be bought down to a little more than 3%. This will make a massive difference to ur bottom line. A good player can triple there win rate by having a 3% rake instead of the 6.67% FTP charge and many small losers will become decent winners.
The same is true for SnG's with descent players having a ROI of about 20% - means if u play a $1 SnG they stand to win, on average, just 20 cents. If the poker site decides to charge u an extra 10 cents in rake ur win rate will be halved.
If u play poker seriously and have aspirations of building up a roll and playing higher then make sure u search hard for the best deals ( rakeback and bonuses )and lowest rake. Also be prepared to bonus whore and to hop around from site to site.
To answer the OP question - 25% rake is way way way to high and IMO he should move site immediately - plenty of sites charge no more than 10% rake on a $1 SnG and with a rakeback and/or bonus deal that 10% can be reduced even further.
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Posted by Johivae: I'm thinking about playing SNGs(1$=0,80+0,20) on Partypoker. But is the rake to high to building a bankroll or is it worth to play them. sorry for my bad english.
i never had any idea of how they raked each hand...
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25% rake is like suicide for average player like me. too hard to beat. maybe u should try some of the smaller sites with somewhat decent traffic. u can try merge they take 10% rake and u can get upto 35% rakeback on some of the rooms. traffic is bit low tho
NDB 150 dollars for whole 400 PP (that means 200 raked dollars) 75% rakeback, or valueback, or whatever you want to call it 
