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Situation: $500 buy in tournament. Top 50 cash and 75 remaining. Blinds / Antes: 300/600/50 Your Position / Stack: SB / 11,000 Your Hand: Jd8h Action: Folded around to you. BB has 2,800 chips after posting their blind & ante. ...
that close to the money I would chuck a raise chance of a flat call most likely he'll fold thou plus 500 dollar tourny he just gonna auto fold hope to place. be sure to min raise that spot thou that way if he pushes you can fold with out a big loss
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losing 3400 of your stack now would be silly when the pot was only the blinds and antes. I know it's standard practice to raise in late position preflop if there is no action before you but if you fold you have only lost a small blind - nothing you wouldn't have lost anyway. 25 places to go is not that close to the bubble so thanks to blinds and antes the pressure on the big blind to double up quick is huge. So without more information we can assume that his range is very loose.
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Very good tread. This is how I see things. I don like gambling in MTT but...There is 1500 chips in pot, And that guy have 2800 so he could easily fold here if he dont wake up with really good hand or he can call with any s**t in hands... Since he allowed himself to have 5 bb I think there is big chance for him to fold. Also he can call you with low pocket pair, small suited connectors... All those hands you easily can beat and since there is already 1500 chips in pot and that shove would cost you 2800 chips I say that you should push all in here...
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This is an easy fold. At 11,000 chips you can't afford to lose anymore. If you lose 2800, you may start getting bullied (assuming this tourney had a lot of people in it and the stacks are big.) I also wouldn't risk doubling up a short stack. I wouldn't all in anything but pocket aces this close to the money, and the short stack being to your left could help you get more off of people if you raise, then they all in. lol
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Posted by Tangoe: I wouldn't all in anything but pocket aces this close to the money,
That close to cash? 75 left, 50ITM. That is 1/3 of people to be busted. Thats not close to the money. Second, your goal in this tourney would be to win your buy in back? Why you play it then? Waiting for aces when you have less then 20 bb and ante running is worst MTT strategy that I ever heard off. If you need to attack someone and steal this juicy pot then this BB guy is the guy!
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Thanks to all who have participated in these questions from the WSOP. Me, I would call the small blind. Just to see a flop. But I don't think I could call an all in. Depending on my feel for the person and tournament. I might go all in myself right off. Who knows, many things to consider here. But I think my first instinct is to fold, let him have my SB.
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it depends on alot of things as well, if ive raise his bb every or almost everytime, can he fold not really but he might if super tight but most times i would raise here and if he shoves welll hope you get lucky but the guy could well shove here with 67 sooted as hes that short any hand with half a chance will do so you could maybe still be ahead of his shove range
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Posted by BMWman: Thanks to all who have participated in these questions from the WSOP. Me, I would call the small blind. Just to see a flop. But I don't think I could call an all in. Depending on my feel for the person and tournament. I might go all in myself right off. Who knows, many things to consider here. But I think my first instinct is to fold, let him have my SB.
Interesting to see all the different answers here. Nice thread.
Honestly, not nearly enough info to give a straight answer here. Has this guy been playing tight, agro? Did he get to 2.800 playing super tight (small range), or super loose (huge range), or did he suffer some bad hands? In other words, what range can you place him on? That´s the most important factor IMO.
Also, how has the play at the table/tourney been? Tight, agro?, etc.
Definitely no calling here, it´s either push or fold. If he´s got any sense at all, he´ll shove on you if you call, so you will still need to call him or lose BB instead of SB.
25 from 50 payouts is still a long way off, and at 300/600 he will not fold through. So he needs to move VERY soon. Because of that it will hurt you more than it will him if he loses/wins. For him it´s +EV, for you it can cripple your stack if you lose.
Without putting him on a range (which shows level of aggressive/tight play), you really can´t answer this question.
If he just came to the table, you know nothing, so you have to look at how agro/tight this tournament has been played to try and get a handle on his range.
Your decision is then mainly: 1. Do you want to "make the money", or 2. Do you want to "make the final table"?
Some people will say shoving is +EV, but I believe it´s more important to put a range on this guy, analyse the situation (BB, stack etc.), and go from there.
Statistical +EV plays are good for multi-tablers (ie. shove any 2 in this situation type of thing), but putting your opponents on ranges and playing to that is REAL Poker IMO.
I´m not good at it yet, by no means, it´s NOT easy, but that is what I am trying to learn now.
