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got to agree with the majority of people here 14 is too young to play give it a few years and if he still has the interest then teach him ,who knows maybe a future wsop champion.......
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I go aginst what most are saying, first poker is not the same as gambling it is a skill game. Many of the up and coming pros in the game even lots of the old timmers will tell you they took to the game at an eairly age. How young is too young for education, I see kids learning martial arts...it dont make them thugs...I see sex education in schools...it dont make them nymphs. I just see him as a lucky kid getting help at such a young age, by the time he can play for real he has a huge advantage over his peers.
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Posted by B1gfoot: I go aginst what most are saying, first poker is not the same as gambling it is a skill game. Many of the up and coming pros in the game even lots of the old timmers will tell you they took to the game at an eairly age. How young is too young for education, I see kids learning martial arts...it dont make them thugs...I see sex education in schools...it dont make them nymphs. I just see him as a lucky kid getting help at such a young age, by the time he can play for real he has a huge advantage over his peers.
for you may be a skill game for many others its pure gamble. and since i dont want to go off topic continuing in this ill just say the following. try to compare the skill in poker and in blackjack. try to memorize 8 decks of cards and then come and tell me again for skill in poker
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Posted by Mober:
Posted by B1gfoot: I go aginst what most are saying, first poker is not the same as gambling it is a skill game. Many of the up and coming pros in the game even lots of the old timmers will tell you they took to the game at an eairly age. How young is too young for education, I see kids learning martial arts...it dont make them thugs...I see sex education in schools...it dont make them nymphs. I just see him as a lucky kid getting help at such a young age, by the time he can play for real he has a huge advantage over his peers.
for you may be a skill game for many others its pure gamble. and since i dont want to go off topic continuing in this ill just say the following. try to compare the skill in poker and in blackjack. try to memorize 8 decks of cards and then come and tell me again for skill in poker
What are you jabbering about, ofcause poker is a skill game, it been officialy rocongnised as such, not debateable FACT, now all you see is $, lets take chess is it ok to teach a kid to play that, or backgammon, cause I quite offten see poeple playing them games for $. (using your definition of gambling IE playing a GAME for money). Comparing BJ to poker LOL..
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Posted by B1gfoot:
Posted by Mober:
Posted by B1gfoot: I go aginst what most are saying, first poker is not the same as gambling it is a skill game. Many of the up and coming pros in the game even lots of the old timmers will tell you they took to the game at an eairly age. How young is too young for education, I see kids learning martial arts...it dont make them thugs...I see sex education in schools...it dont make them nymphs. I just see him as a lucky kid getting help at such a young age, by the time he can play for real he has a huge advantage over his peers.
for you may be a skill game for many others its pure gamble. and since i dont want to go off topic continuing in this ill just say the following. try to compare the skill in poker and in blackjack. try to memorize 8 decks of cards and then come and tell me again for skill in poker
What are you jabbering about, ofcause poker is a skill game, it been officialy rocongnised as such, not debateable FACT, now all you see is $, lets take chess is it ok to teach a kid to play that, or backgammon, cause I quite offten see poeple playing them games for $. (using your definition of gambling IE playing a GAME for money). Comparing BJ to poker LOL..
ive read that the poker first ruled as a skilled game in USA from a politician who was a freaking addict and needed an excuse to make it legal. nevertheless
its a joke for you comparing poker with blackjack huh? lol of course cause i doubt you have the brains to accomplish that. while anyone can be "skilled" as you say, in poker, there are very few who can count 8 decks. do you want me to help you a little? 8 decks x 52 cards each = 416 cards memorize them !!! and then ill laugh along with you on my previous comment
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My brother and I learned about all kinds of card games when we were kids, and would play against each other for fun, and that is how I intend to introduce cards to my kids: a fun game. My son is into computers and such, and seeing me play poker on the internet recently he wanted to learn too. I simply told him he was not allowed until he was 18, otherwise I could get into big trouble. He didn't ask again. Very addictive stuff.
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OK you win poker is not a skill game, and your argument using blackjack convinced me, because memorising 8 decks is a skill, just a shame they dont memorise them and use a hi lo counting techneque, my little brain could not comprehend that...oh and its fairly easy to do, but hard to hide that your doing it. And just so you know it does not work for on line BJ, yep the stripped the skill out of blackjack them bastards huh...Thanks for the winning argument on why BJ is the same as poker. The main addiction in poker come from the rush after winnig money, the real addiction is the $, not the game.
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I bet you misunderstood completely. When im talking card counting in black jack im not not talking about what you are referring to. to your hi low system or that 5 8's and 6 J's for example have been dealt that whith practice can be accomplished. Im talking about order and color can you do that? or learn to do it? i doubt (im not excluding myself) Ive met a person doing that.and he is not alone. he is also banned from all casinos here. and you might think where that is going to help him? in the xtra betting after about 4 decks have been passed (pairs, colors, etc) and of course im not talking about online blackjack winning argument huh?.
btw we are way off topic and im not gonna post anything else about this in this thread. if you like open a new one and will take it over there but i doubt we are gonna agree in anything
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I dont think its that far off topic, Im talking about poker its a game of skill, your sayin its a gamble, OK you switched to blackjack and memory, so lets go back a little, back to.." is it OK to teach a youngster poker", I still say yes as its a ever learning game of skill, by the sounds of things this kid already has an intrest in the game, would it not be wise now to teach him how to play the game to his favor? Give him an edge, teach him the likes of bankrollmanagment so he takes out the big gamble. You could even use this oppitunity to deter him from poker if you so wish, assuming poker is a game of skill, im quite sure the teacher can keep beating the youngster untill he gets bored of losing and calls the game rigged and never wants to play again. So, back to you, dont teach him poker because....
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He can not play lol ... U can play with cips with him.. ;] Sharing your poker account ant let play for other is not good, if poker admin will know it u will get banned but sure no one can find if you are doing this .. So teach him;]
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lol Mober please read a few information about poker before u talking s**t. I don´t be a gambler i play only games where i can win and must use my brain and i be playin poker for over 10 years.
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Posted by B1gfoot: I dont think its that far off topic, Im talking about poker its a game of skill, your sayin its a gamble, OK you switched to blackjack and memory, so lets go back a little, back to.." is it OK to teach a youngster poker", I still say yes as its a ever learning game of skill, by the sounds of things this kid already has an intrest in the game, would it not be wise now to teach him how to play the game to his favor? Give him an edge, teach him the likes of bankrollmanagment so he takes out the big gamble. You could even use this oppitunity to deter him from poker if you so wish, assuming poker is a game of skill, im quite sure the teacher can keep beating the youngster untill he gets bored of losing and calls the game rigged and never wants to play again. So, back to you, dont teach him poker because....
at his age he must be guided to more safer grounds and more intellectual. a college degree for me, bachelors or even better master, is much better than winning millions in poker. its not all about money in this life. of course makes life much easier. but you never know which side youll end up right? there are the winners and the losers in poker as in every competition. at least when the phd doesnt work for you, you wont be an addict. cause lets face it its an addiction. not mine though if i had the chance to win 1mil for example in poker (something that will never happen) i would have been away from all this. wouldnt been stuck there trying to win more and more.
i was watching an old wsop on tele and ivey was in. the commentator said he is the one with the most winnings from poker (about 60mil US$) and yet he is still there playing professionaly. why? to win more? whats the point? trying to prove what? or he is an addict? and on the other hand i read today in here that isildur must be start winning some money if he doesnt want to get broke.what if he doesnt make it? will be the first one going broke from playing poker? no. but of course you can say the same for "gambling" so there are always 2 sides of the coin but yet most see only the side they like ans suits them better.
bottom line until he gets at least 18 he must be away from such activities and then if he still wants it he can go for it. he can make his own mind. and there is a reason for the age limit i think in most of the circumstances and the role of an adult is to give a wise and safe advice to all minors. it might be harder but thats not mean we shall give them a helping hand to the easy way.
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Posted by watoba: lol Mober please read a few information about poker before u talking s**t. I don't be a gambler i play only games where i can win and must use my brain and i be playin poker for over 10 years.
talking s**t? because i dont share the same opinion with the majority of the poker community ?
and i dont need to read something that others saying to form my own opinion
dont sweat too much using your brain to play poker lol
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i think teaching that kid how to play poker is a gamble, or maybe its skill??
the worry is he might lose interest in other things and only wanna play poker and win money with it, remember what happened with stu ungar. its hard to knw which is the right choice as anything can happen in both the scenarios, as even little things can change everything. u might teach him and he can either become addicted and screwup his life or he might go on to become a big pro. the odds for each condition are hard to calculate and will depend on lots of factors. it will take a lot of skill making sure it doesnt get bad for him.
the thing is its not our decision to make as we are oblivious to many facts here and our answers are all biased just like a bad call frm a wrong player read. its upto you or the kids parents to make that decision
its upto you to decide whether you got the required skill to make sure hes successful or you would like to take a gamble with teaching him ************************************************ now i dnt evn make sense, but i gave u one more thing to argue about whether its skill or gamble
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Much better response @Mober, and I agree, getting him educated via collage etc is a better way to use his time, and agree its not all about the money (including poker), bit contradicting as mostly education in whatever field you choose is about getting to the top to earn more money, and kinda got to disagree about it being an addiction, belive it or not we can become addicted to almost anything, thats a personality issue, however less likely as the thrill factor is reduced. I guess as SuperNoob says, ATM its up to his parents, age is just a number IMO, some kids his age are more than resposable and show traits of becoming successfull and vice versa. I still obvioulsy think there is no harm in teaching him, providing it does not distract him from getting a good education, an by teaching him I mean to play poker in a mathamatical way and not in a way that glorifies the game (money). I see most kids his age wanting to be a pop star, mainly due to the fae factor, life style etc, most parents think thats fine, and encourage them, I actually think is quite sad and wrong to fill kids with broken hopes, give them a skill (and if they can sing etc YES encorage them) Dont forget poker only becomes gambling when money is involved, I say teach the blighter, and youse you influence on him to keep him on the right tracks.
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why so many people talk from gambling i dont understand this.Poker is a game. U can be an addict from anythink else.I know so many players but i know only one he had a problem sometimes. And what is better when he sit down at home and play pc games or he make sport everyday yes he can be a sport adidict is this better? Isabell mercier had learn the game with 4 years. I don´t know when i have my first cards in hand think was the same with 4 or 5 years. True a good education is right but shall he sit 24hours at home and learn lol. When so many people here talk from gambling and poker is not a skill game better u close your poker accounts u got a problem. And i think when he learn the game now he had not so many problems later.Teach him the rules and the risk. And think he is 14 and want play look at u when u was in the age of 14 and anyone say is not allowed what do u think he make. So better u teach him the right way. He want not use drugs he want play a game omg. And this for all the gamblers with problems .The Important rule in poker or the golden rule is -NEVER PLAY WITH DEAD MONEY when u keep this rule u got no problems with poker and have a lot of fun. And @Mober there gives many players they don´t play with money they play only for fun you have only your own opion and have not a free mind to think about any ohter opion. And when poker is so bad what do u want here on this site?
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Fakiry, just to let you know I have a16 year old son and he plays with me in the play chip section. Here's the thing! It's a game, any game can be made into a money betting game. If he wants to play poker, the primary goal is because it's fun. Money is irrelevant, shouldn't even be part of the program, not even discussed. This is a card game in which the number one intent for a kid or even an adult is to play because it's fun. Poker doesn't = $$, Poker = Fun. My son and I play checkers, aggravation and I'm glad it's not all video games with him. My children play video games of course, but cards and other board games are fun and as a teenager that's the intent. $$ is never even a topic when my son plays poker.. I know I carried on, but to many people are thinking $$, not the fun of the game. Nothing wrong with the adults that want the $$, but it shouldn't be the priority for a youngster. Fun, Fun and more Fun is the topic and if he's thinking $$ then that's the end of poker lessons. Good Luck in All and to All!
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Watoba, you mean sites with games for kids that also have poker games? I know one, and i see what you mean, if he starts playing there to see if he can achieve the game's objectives, maybe this is the best way for him to start. Thanks
------------ Many of you started entering the money theme in this forum. When we think about poker we think about betting money. But when i was talking about teaching poker to my cousin, i was talking (once he is too young indeed) in telling him the concept of the game and, perhaps, how to manage the certain amount of chips he has in the beginning during the all game. It could even be a good way for him to better understand the value of money with the chips. He has to learn that he cant put many chips in some cards he will not believe that it will win the hand. - This is the oposite of teaching him how to gamble. With his age, that could only become later, with one or two more years. But learning that chips are valueable and that he cant spend them without thinking, it can be a way for him to give value to the money his parents spend with him on his tennis, clothes, food, games and the rest.
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think i t was bad ideal its ilegall and u ll must not teach them u can be punished for that better improve your poker skill and earn free money playing against fishes on the poker site good luck and have fun
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hello I'm a young player (18). I started playing poker about 2 years ago with a few friends. We didn't want to win money at the beginning. We played it because it made fun. Now I have the same opinion about this game. I like to play it with real money and of corse I want to win, but the fun is the most important fact. in about a year you can give him a few lessons. Play first with him a few hands, I think he doesn't like to read (like me in this age). When he's really interested in this game, he will read books by himself.
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