fold, UTG+1 calls 200.00, fold, MP+1 raises to 805.00 and is all-in b] LP raises to 3,465.00 and is all-in, CO calls 385.00 and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, fold
Flop:(2495.00, 3 players) K Q 5
Turn:(2495.00, 3 players) 2
River:(2495.00, 3 players) 3
CO shows T A (High Card, Ace) (PreFlop 22%, Flop 17%, Turn 10%) MP+1 shows K T (One Pair, Kings) (PreFlop 8%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%) LP shows A K (One Pair, Kings) (PreFlop 70%, Flop 75%, Turn 86%) LP wins 1,655.00 LP wins 840.00
i would of called easy................. live and die by ace king also its only 1 buyin, if you have good bankroll management you would of snap called imo and yes it was far too cautious, what one buyin with a good starting hand like that pre flop, go for the win in the long run you will make a profit playing like this, good bankroll management would alow you to call this if you was using it , say having 40 buyin for this level at tourneys , maybe you should move down a level, your playing with scared money by the looks of things,
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Good thread. In fact this is a pretty common hand that you frequebtly see on sngs or tournaments. Now there are two approches to this situation. Firstly there is the calculated approach that you can find on any strategy sng or tournament poker book. It was clear that MP1 would shave it all in considering he had only 4 big blinds. Many times players go all in with way worse cards than AT. Now LP was the table chip leader and made a right call, considering he also had a pretty good hand. Now i think you made the right call, in order for you to call you needed to go all in and risk all your chips. In that same situation i would only shave it all in with pocket kings or pocket aces. Other players play by their instinct and in your situation would have called with AK but it proves that you play like that on long term it's unprofitable. In my opinion you did the right thing!
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No, it is not too cautious. Off course you will fold after two all ins. Only if that is Turbo SNG in late stage or if you know that those two players go all in every third hand or something... I guess in 90% times you will be behind since any pocket is stronger then AK. But if you know that they both have under pair if you want to gamble you have odds to call... But in lot of cases you will be against AA or KK.
It all depends of your opponents. If they play tight then its best to fold cause you can be way behind... If they play loose, well, then its not wrong to fold but its not wrong to call also...
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You can fold,if you wouldn't have been BB...considering that,it's a pretty easy call. MPss shoving range with 4BBs can be really wide there,same goes for CO with less than 2 BB. The only thing you have to think about is LPs reshove. He is chipleader and a shortstack just pushed,the reshoving range I'd give a normal player there is: AK,AQ,AJ,77,88,99,TT,JJ,QQ,KK,AA
That means there are 2 hands that you dominate,2 hands he has you dominated and the rest is pretty much a coinflip. Meaning in total you have a coinflip overall. However,with the 200 invested already,you need less than 50% equity to make this call. Sure,you have to consider you've got 2 shortstacks all in there too,but that's even better seeing their ranges can be really wide,and you have both of them crushed like 80% of the time.
just to remind ppl it was a turbo SNG and the MP+1 player shoved all in with 4 BB, Text book shove with that amount of chips left, agression is the key to winning these types of games, the blinds get high so quick, but every one has a different opinion on this hand, like i said b4 go for the win play agresive is the key to winning these turbos , not guts no glory
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Posted by BeMyATMplz: You can fold,if you wouldn't have been BB...considering that,it's a pretty easy call. MPss shoving range with 4BBs can be really wide there,same goes for CO with less than 2 BB. The only thing you have to think about is LPs reshove. He is chipleader and a shortstack just pushed,the reshoving range I'd give a normal player there is: AK,AQ,AJ,77,88,99,TT,JJ,QQ,KK,AA
That means there are 2 hands that you dominate,2 hands he has you dominated and the rest is pretty much a coinflip. Meaning in total you have a coinflip overall. However,with the 200 invested already,you need less than 50% equity to make this call. Sure,you have to consider you've got 2 shortstacks all in there too,but that's even better seeing their ranges can be really wide,and you have both of them crushed like 80% of the time.
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i think i would shove there its a turbo and the only one i would considers range is the big stack and your prob ahead of his re shove range as he wants to isolate and as long as you beat him your got a little more chips but there is a good chance you have the rest beat but saying that you dont have a made hand but if you do hit the flop its a very tasty pot and if you only beat the big stack at least your pretty much the same and hes not got a massive stack now
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You have 7bb left. Snap call. The original raiser only has 4bb - and has to either shove or fold, considering it's folded to him its a very good spot to shove a WIDE range of hands. LP knows this and attempts to isolate with his re-raise - this isn't necessarily a show of massive strength, he is just trying to fold you out of the hand. Now - CO has under 2bb and has to call pretty much any picture card or suited cards, connectors, etc - his range is massive and he is getting enormous pot odds - pretty much calling any 2 here is good for CO.
Now it get's to you - keep in mind you ONLY have to beat LP to end up with more chips than you start with, you're getting massive pot odds and have a monster hand, with only 7bb left - I think you have to call 100% of the time here. If LP flips AA - well, gg - if he flips KK - well then you've still got a few outs.
My main point here is the original raisers range here is massive and LP knows it and he's re-raise is a standard isolating play.
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In a normal SnG we have to call here with the blinds that high, even if we can expect that other players will have some As and Ks in there hands. In a DoN i would fold it.
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Posted by shokaku: In a normal SnG we have to call here with the blinds that high, even if we can expect that other players will have some As and Ks in there hands. In a DoN i would fold it.
Exactly, playing to win is deffo EV+, and yes in a DoN this hand is foldable.
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Playing at bodog SNG or turny you never know with the hands they be dealing..I was playing last night and caught hands like that plus seen ppl playing them hands and they wasnt winning hands at all..I know for a fact i seen bout 5 or 8 hands with AK and they over played it and lost for sure..You really have to play hard on that site cause bad beats come all the time.And the tables man they are suck out for real..KK winning against AA..Its crazy...
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Posted by shokaku: In a normal SnG we have to call here with the blinds that high, even if we can expect that other players will have some As and Ks in there hands. In a DoN i would fold it.
Short and sweet. Agree with shokaku here 100%. Blinds are moving up fast, surprised there are still 9 runners left.
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