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Here is proof that some of online high stakes players are just degenerate gamblers with very little brain and skill. Just clicking raise button with no plan or logic for that. My respect goes to Dwan, Cates and some other players but Victor blom is just crazy. I watched like 15 minutes of play between him and Ilari and I was amaized bo way they play. Just look at this hand below! I doubt that some 1/2cents bad players would make this all in call. They was preflop all in! P.S. Anyone who can bust his whole (few mil $) bankroll during one session is bad player anyway for me.
Edited by jovicakralj (30 December 2011 @ 02:17 GMT)
wow, that id donkulous. All in with a weak 2pr is terrible in plo. I don't personally play PLO, but my understanding of the game is straights or better. 2@pr is the equivalent of ace high in no limit
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I'm not really going to judge anyone who is able to reach those nosebleed stakes, regardless of their bankroll management or anything else.
I will say though regarding hyper-aggressive play, a lot of it has to do with a long-term image as well as any individual hand. By over-playing weak hands like this it makes any regular opponent think twice about trying to bluff them off a future hand. This makes it particularly difficult to play against hyper-aggressive players and it makes them a lot harder to read as well. The style needs to be viewed as a whole - not on an individual hand basis.
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Hi,I don't know how ilari play but it seems like stealing the chips,he bluf maybe because he know that ilari wouldn't go all in,but he have A and Q and possible flush. And that is something I see time to time some players have s...t of cards and they play like they knows that hand would be winning hand,I try to look if % of winning hands have something with that and if I remember if you have smaller then 10% winning hand you will won on all inn with cards you must fold and I see some players know something about that and I belive it's connected with problem more players have-it is I have great hand AA AK or very good hand and they regulary lost against 10 7 or J 7 ,Iam not sure but we know that when you play live game there can't happened what is happened in online games,some players studie that connection maybe few years and they know when they can't lose and all is connected with % in game. Every game which is electronic have some bug or weak point,I know in Admiral gambling house,you know I think what it is ,they have slot machines,my son was playing before 10 years,and that slot machine have a bug -people and my son too are won every day,you can't lose on that slot machine but you must play like that: 5 hands you play for 1 chip and 6th hand you put bet max and again 1 chip 5 hands and 6th max chips and slot machine give you every day and you can won from 300 to 1000 Euros per day,people wait before 10 o'clock to Admiral opens to sit on slot and play all day,but too manny people knows that and for month and half comes people who work for Admiral and set slots that minimum is 8 chips and that was over.I wanna tell you that every eletronic game have bug but we must find it,because of that with slot machine I belive some people knows something maybe don't work every time like that slot but if you have adventage of 70-80% to won hand it's something
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Posted by schwabo: Hi,I don't know how ilari play but it seems like stealing the chips,he bluf maybe because he know that ilari wouldn't go all in,but he have A and Q and possible flush. And that is something I see time to time some players have s...t of cards and they play like they knows that hand would be winning hand,I try to look if % of winning hands have something with that and if I remember if you have smaller then 10% winning hand you will won on all inn with cards you must fold and I see some players know something about that and I belive it's connected with problem more players have-it is I have great hand AA AK or very good hand and they regulary lost against 10 7 or J 7 ,Iam not sure but we know that when you play live game there can't happened what is happened in online games,some players studie that connection maybe few years and they know when they can't lose and all is connected with % in game. Every game which is electronic have some bug or weak point,I know in Admiral gambling house,you know I think what it is ,they have slot machines,my son was playing before 10 years,and that slot machine have a bug -people and my son too are won every day,you can't lose on that slot machine but you must play like that: 5 hands you play for 1 chip and 6th hand you put bet max and again 1 chip 5 hands and 6th max chips and slot machine give you every day and you can won from 300 to 1000 Euros per day,people wait before 10 o'clock to Admiral opens to sit on slot and play all day,but too manny people knows that and for month and half comes people who work for Admiral and set slots that minimum is 8 chips and that was over.I wanna tell you that every eletronic game have bug but we must find it,because of that with slot machine I belive some people knows something maybe don't work every time like that slot but if you have adventage of 70-80% to won hand it's something
now is this coming from the 62 year old mother or the fraud artist who is using false info for his account>>???>>>???
Posted by jessthehuman: I'm not really going to judge anyone who is able to reach those nosebleed stakes, regardless of their bankroll management or anything else.
I will say though regarding hyper-aggressive play, a lot of it has to do with a long-term image as well as any individual hand. By over-playing weak hands like this it makes any regular opponent think twice about trying to bluff them off a future hand. This makes it particularly difficult to play against hyper-aggressive players and it makes them a lot harder to read as well. The style needs to be viewed as a whole - not on an individual hand basis.
+1
I know this hand is terrible, especially if it went all in pre flop. But just think about how though it must be to play PLO HU against Isildur with your own money... He does a lot of questionable plays, but he also gets paid a lot when he hits.
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the play is not really the most beautiful, but must have had action to reach the two all-in pre flop with these hands, though with money left over time these guys make some crazy recently seen pro moves that do not match the title of professional
I think you cant judge them like this. They play together all the time so you can only guess what is going on in his head. It s like you playing with a guy you see every day at tables. Sure you play much differently knowing his moves etc.. and ocasionally doing some crazy stuff. I called all-in on river twice today with AK knowing a guy is bluffing me, i was right first time ended up 2nd in tournament. 2nd tournament i went out of it and if someone was watching that he would say i was crazy moron. But he hit river and got lucky 2nd time and i ended up looking like a fool.
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That's why i dont like nosebleed tables. Heads up is surely where you'll see the most aggressive play, but still... they just make a show of gambling with amount of money that are way to high. It's giving a bad example to players and surely won't give a good idea of how to play good to new players... They just should organise more HU tournaments between all those pro's and with buy in like 10K $.
------------ That's why i dont like nosebleed tables. Heads up is surely where you'll see the most aggressive play, but still... they just make a show of gambling with amount of money that are way to high. It's giving a bad example to players and surely won't give a good idea of how to play good to new players... They just should organise more HU tournaments between all those pro's and with buy in like 10K $.
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Well isn't he a Millionaire anyway??? Did he not get swindled out of $4million dollars by a bunch of cheats that shared info so they could get the upper hand over him???? and did he not build his bankroll again??? At least he knows how to live and not worry about where his next meal is coming from, gotta give the LAD respect for that.
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Not sure why its aimed at Bloom when Sahamies is playing a pair of kings in PLO. If Isuldur is so bad, then why does no one want to play him(NLHE)? The only reason he plays PLO is to get good action. Now you mention Durrrr, well its the same path, a degen at PLO(to start) but no one would play him at NLHE, and now he is one of the best. Sahamies IMO is one of the best PLO out there, if Bloom wants to be the best he has to play the best.
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lol how is this a thread...
Sahemis = standard play with his hand Blowms play is also not to bad here: - He blocks an A for AAxx combos - He knows sahemis is capable of getting it in very light as well
Brainless? lol,they have history with each other more than you could imagine,so they know what hands they can get it in with. It's pretty much all about leveling in ranges... Sahemis knows Blom gets it in very wide and stuff like that so he can widen his range...blom knows that sahemis knows that so he widens his range even more and so on.
In this specific hand Sahemis is just 58% Favourite,and no this is not the bottom of his getting-it-in range (I guarantee you that).
The way blom played by getting it in pre was probably not the most +EV way,but to say brainless gamblers is just ridiculous (just as ridiculous as to say he's a donk for having lost his BR on FTP back then)
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Posted by BeMyATMplz: lol how is this a thread...
Sahemis = standard play with his hand Blowms play is also not to bad here: - He blocks an A for AAxx combos - He knows sahemis is capable of getting it in very light as well
Brainless? lol,they have history with each other more than you could imagine,so they know what hands they can get it in with. It's pretty much all about leveling in ranges... Sahemis knows Blom gets it in very wide and stuff like that so he can widen his range...blom knows that sahemis knows that so he widens his range even more and so on.
In this specific hand Sahemis is just 58% Favourite,and no this is not the bottom of his getting-it-in range (I guarantee you that).
The way blom played by getting it in pre was probably not the most +EV way,but to say brainless gamblers is just ridiculous (just as ridiculous as to say he's a donk for having lost his BR on FTP back then)
I just cant agree with you. If they gonna go all in with this preflop then they could have go alll in with any 4 cards. I understand that they have history but that history is all about raising and reraising. I understand that someone plays flop or turn like this or like that because of previous history but to go all in preflop with those hands is just gambling. And btw, he did make millions and he lost them like hundreds of players before him....
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Posted by BeMyATMplz: lol how is this a thread...
Sahemis = standard play with his hand Blowms play is also not to bad here: - He blocks an A for AAxx combos - He knows sahemis is capable of getting it in very light as well
Brainless? lol,they have history with each other more than you could imagine,so they know what hands they can get it in with. It's pretty much all about leveling in ranges... Sahemis knows Blom gets it in very wide and stuff like that so he can widen his range...blom knows that sahemis knows that so he widens his range even more and so on.
In this specific hand Sahemis is just 58% Favourite,and no this is not the bottom of his getting-it-in range (I guarantee you that).
The way blom played by getting it in pre was probably not the most +EV way,but to say brainless gamblers is just ridiculous (just as ridiculous as to say he's a donk for having lost his BR on FTP back then)
Very well said. I think people far to much objectively analyse a hand without actually taking into consideration history with an opponent, leveling - image.
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Posted by jovicakralj: I just cant agree with you. If they gonna go all in with this preflop then they could have go alll in with any 4 cards. I understand that they have history but that history is all about raising and reraising. I understand that someone plays flop or turn like this or like that because of previous history but to go all in preflop with those hands is just gambling. And btw, he did make millions and he lost them like hundreds of players before him....
You totally missed my point,he had an A as blocker in his hand,which lower the chance of sahemis having a AAxx combo. Isildurs hand also doesnt play well postflop. If there is an Axx flop there is low chance he will get value from his hand if he hits (if he assumes sahemis has KKxx or QQxx). AQT7 = as good as A4C's? not really,lol
About him busting his bankroll,it's no secret isildurs playstyle is high variance style (which isnt necessarily a bad thing since he's able to use his image and exploit others). idk how much he lost in total,but he did play up to $500/1K PLO. If he had lets say 5 Million then that's nothing (you are also wrong with "busting his BR",he busted his account,but he obv. didnt have all his money on there). 50 Stacks combined with his high variance style and it being PLO is really nothing and can be easily be busted in a matter of hours if you run bad. 200+ Stacks swings arent uncommon in PLO HU when 2 maniacs play each other. Besides,it's also forgotten by many that Blom built his BR up on the euro sites (entraction/Ipoker) by solid grinding,THEN hit the FTP nosebleed tables. To me he deserves much respect for what he's doing,for his style (though I wouldnt wanna play like this myself) and for not caring about the swings involved
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the easiest thing to say- they are donks, or do not know how to play...what about you, did you have a go at those stakes, do you know what's behind their moves- maybe it's a plan to play some hands stupid, but catch up on other bigger pots, maybe he was thinking it's a great call- there is no explanation from viktor, so we cannot say what were the reasons for one move or another...oh and one more thing...maybe he is a degenerate gambler
