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  11-Mar-12, 05:34   #1
What will you do ? 0 
Serpang 
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Play at MTT, Middle phase, sit as BB, Hold JJ, UTG all in with $ 808, UTG +1 raise to 2306, button called
and I called. What wiil you do when flop came ? show at video.


     
  11-Mar-12, 05:49   #2
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retribution 

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Bet for value. You've got a very strong hang with top pair and an OESD, but there's also a flush draw on the flop. I think checking and giving your opponents a chance at a free card is bad.

     
  11-Mar-12, 06:03   #3
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GomerAssassi 
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fold pre-flop. or re-raise pre- flop. why have 4 players go to the flop? now you're fucked...over pairs, flush draws. bad position.

this is gonna end badly for you isnt it?

     
  11-Mar-12, 06:22   #4
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Greenmohave 

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With top pair and chance for straight I know I would have to bet pot at the very least. I know there's a chance someone can hit a straight also, but I believe the odds are in your favor here. So what did you do? Are we waiting for a followup post. Hope you won the hand at very least!

     
  11-Mar-12, 06:45   #5
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doomdy 

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Posted by GomerAssassi:
fold pre-flop. or re-raise pre- flop. why have 4 players go to the flop? now you're fucked...over pairs, flush draws. bad position.

this is gonna end badly for you isnt it?


Exactly, you have to isolate your hand in this 1, that plays postflop much much easier.
Now your in a multiway-pot and have no clue where you are.

Next time post a handhistory, thats so much easier to read then this, in a HH we can see position, blinds, stacks, ect in just 1sec, now we much minutes to even understand the situation.

     
  11-Mar-12, 07:46   #6
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Serpang 
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here hand history doomdy

Game #50926056-157: Micro Hero NL $30 Guarantee - No Limit Holdem Tournament - 300.00/600.00
Seat #0: gnomze70 (SB), $2356.00
Seat #1: chopoff (BB), $29895.00
Seat #2: duckbuttz2, $808.00
Seat #4: yanksrule23, $23341.00
Seat #5: BuckO6, $10718.00
Seat #7: Dunhills2, $3892.00
Seat #8: aca3447, $23366.00
Seat #9: kbDogman (D), $24244.00
*** Blinds ***
gnomze70 posts the small blind of 300.00
chopoff posts the big blind of 600.00
*** Pre-Flop ***
chopoff got hole cards [ J :dia: J :hea: ]
duckbuttz2 goes all-in with 808.00
yanksrule23 raises with 2306.00
BuckO6 folds
Dunhills2 folds
aca3447 calls 2306.00
kbDogman folds
gnomze70 folds
chopoff calls 1706.00
*** Flop *** Pot: 8026
[ T :clu: 8 :clu: 9 :dia: ]



     
  11-Mar-12, 08:06   #7
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jessthehuman 

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Hmm, OOP I'd be pretty tempted to fold pre when UTG shoves and +1 re-raises.. However, since UTG was massive shorty and +1 is probably isolating relatively wide, you may still be good.

Anyhow - as played, I don't really like this spot - OOP you're really not that strong, JJ probably isn't good against anything that calls a bet, which means only your straight draw is outs and FD kills a lot of those.. I probably just C/C flop and see what the turn is :/

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Oh - I'm not getting into a massive pot / allin on this flop either.. So if I check and then there is big action after me (like a pot bet and a re-raise) then I couldn't snap-fold fast enough.. I would be looking to see a relatively cheap turn - otherwise just fold.

Edited by jessthehuman (Sunday, March 11, 2012 @ 08:10 GMT)


     
  11-Mar-12, 08:45   #8
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marqis 

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You have a good hand, but your position is awful with 2 players in the pot with a stack that can hurt you.

It's not unlikely that one of them is going to shove, if you don't; maybe you should beat them to the punch?
If I'm honest, I'd probably bet half the pot, hoping they are not willing to pull the trigger, and then fold when one of them does shove...

But then again, I would have made a pot sized bet before the flop, probably taking it down right there (regardless of what the all-in small stack is holding). JJ often does not flop as well, as it did here...

     
  12-Mar-12, 15:43   #9
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Serpang 
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I thought like you when play that hand, Retribution. Thanks for your opinion, but maybe we have to consider again our decision against similar case above. Good luck buddy Smile Smile

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You right, GomerAssasi, end badly for me Disagree Disagree . but base on your opinion, similar opinion from others and I compare with theory, I will change ( and already start today Smile Smile my strategy.

For others, I can't say one by one. All your opinion is very useful to me, I am not just talk how useful your opinion but I will share with you how my play after this discuss. Other my comment please see my new thread.

Thanks all and Good luck Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile

Edited by Serpang (Monday, March 12, 2012 @ 15:52 GMT)


     
  12-Mar-12, 17:47   #10
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pochui 

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well i like to play very simple- just go all in when you have decent odds, and in your scenario this is the case- you have overpair, you can hit the draw, you can have a red nose or a big boobed babe on your mind, but besides all the mentioned- you have nice odds to bet Worship

     
  13-Mar-12, 17:38   #11
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malibury 
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I would bet the pot, as there are good projects and would not fail to leave more free cards. if no longer ladder projects and have bad luck caught ejjeje

     
  13-Mar-12, 17:46   #12
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mascona 

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OK, can you writte us what was the end of that hand ? I mean turn & river......what did you do and who won ?

     
  15-Mar-12, 04:33   #13
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Serpang 
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Posted by mascona:
OK, can you writte us what was the end of that hand ? I mean turn & river......what did you do and who won ?


I already post at new thread - what will you do ? - continuation.


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Posted by malibury:
I would bet the pot, as there are good projects and would not fail to leave more free cards. if no longer ladder projects and have bad luck caught ejjeje



Bet pot doesn't help, I think. UTG+1 will call and you no have more info. Should be bet more than pot if you want bet or just check, waiting. Still 2 more player behind you. Please check at new thread I mention above Smile Smile Smile

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Posted by pochui:
well i like to play very simple- just go all in when you have decent odds, and in your scenario this is the case- you have overpair, you can hit the draw, you can have a red nose or a big boobed babe on your mind, but besides all the mentioned- you have nice odds to bet Worship



You right, I really want to do that. But many time I eliminated cause case like that. So I hesitate and want to advise from mobster Smile Smile At that hand I fold on river and finally I finished 3rd place Smile Smile

Edited by Serpang (Thursday, March 15, 2012 @ 04:46 GMT)


     
  15-Mar-12, 05:04   #14
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jovicakralj 

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Not best to call preflop but since you are there I would check there and see action behind. In my opinion there is no way that they bouth check behind so you will have info. If you see raise and call I would go all in in that situation since you have chance to make them fold, If one of guys insta shoves and other fold (sign of overpair) then you are clearly chaising str8 draw only and pot is not that big to call all in as underdog and finnaly if one guys shoves and other calls I would call since only hand thatleaves you dead is JQ and you have a chance to triple up and use huge stack later on.

Who thinks that this is wierd opinion???

     
  15-Mar-12, 05:25   #15
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TheMachineQC 

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Ah, I didn't realise there was a re-raise pre flop in the other thread. But still, J-J is only dominated by 3 hands. If you 3bet pre flop, you commit yourself to the pot. So it's a pretty tricky spot. I would've probably 3bet anyways, depends on the BI of the tournamenet and more importantly the range of the UTG+1 guy...

This is the kind of hand a lot of people go broke with, unable to fold to a re-raise and a call. So I'm fine with playing it tight/passive pre-flop and hope to catch a monster on the flop, but you're giving free cards and they probably overcards to your jacks or smaller pairs. Basicly, after the flop, you can do anything there (call, raise or fold) so it really depends on how the other players have been playing.

Edited by TheMachineQC (Thursday, March 15, 2012 @ 05:34 GMT)


     
  15-Mar-12, 09:30   #16
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Chartoule 
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Hi guys!!

Overpair + OESD, in the way you play the hand preflop i check/call. Donk bet here don´t like me (we fold vs a push behind us?) and check/reraise(allin) with the stack we have is a mistake imo.

Preflop i squeeze the JJ in BB. The push of the short stack is like a limp and play without position vs 2 more players isn´t the best idea.

     
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