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  18-Apr-12, 23:49   #1
I'm really at a loss as to wether I played this right 0 
retribution 

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Seriously, not sure what to make of the hand. I'll save my observations/results for after a few comments.


PokerStars Zoom Hand #79088154268: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2012/04/18 18:47:34 ET
Table 'McNaught' 9-max
Seat 1: krauchblr ($2.68 in chips)
Seat 2: lasegua ($1.12 in chips)
Seat 3: Sevendeuce79 ($2.06 in chips)
Seat 4: ZUBEK1988 ($0.97 in chips)
Seat 5: HiTPblu ($1 in chips)
Seat 6: joanvilla726 ($2.01 in chips)
Seat 7: fedot84 ($1.70 in chips)
Seat 8: feparre ($1.41 in chips)
Seat 9: Patusia93 ($0.92 in chips)
lasegua: posts small blind $0.01
Sevendeuce79: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sevendeuce79 [Ks Kh]
ZUBEK1988: folds
HiTPblu: folds
joanvilla726: raises $0.02 to $0.04
fedot84: folds
feparre: calls $0.04
Patusia93: calls $0.04
krauchblr: calls $0.04
lasegua: folds
Sevendeuce79: raises $0.14 to $0.18
joanvilla726: calls $0.14
feparre: folds
Patusia93: calls $0.14
krauchblr: calls $0.14
*** FLOP *** [9h 8s Tc]
Sevendeuce79: bets $0.72
joanvilla726: calls $0.72
Patusia93: folds
krauchblr: folds
*** TURN *** [9h 8s Tc] 9 of diamonds
Sevendeuce79: bets $1.16 and is all-in
joanvilla726: calls $1.11 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($0.05) returned to Sevendeuce79

     
  19-Apr-12, 00:33   #2
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awood88 
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I don't think you played it particularly bad, the flop looks pretty good for kings and the big blind is an awkward spot to get a massive pair since its hard to know when to c-bet in early position.

I think you should raise a little more preflop. It's not surprising that you got a lot of callers cos they all think they give each other equity and so 9 10 suited becomes a likely hand for the button who limps in late. And I would be very edgey about having so many callers on the flop.

I think you have to bet out on that flop but a pot bet is scary. It gets you committed quite early when half your stack is in the pot and with just a pair and runner runner straight draw. Not a lot of hands can call that bet either, I'd say Q9 is the weakest your getting called by due to the straight draw out, maybe J9. And the river is a horrible card that leaves you with no choice but to push turning your high pair into a bluff.

How to play it differently is difficult. I don't know how you make a good bet on the flop without committing too many chips or getting too many unpredictable callers. tbh it's not as good a flop for kings as it looks. I'm guessing you lost the hand but it could be to a number of hands, it's really hard to put your opponent on one hand.

     
  19-Apr-12, 11:01   #3
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bullettooth1 

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yeah i think you played it fine. maybe a lil bigger bet preflop as said above. you cant really put your opponents on perticular hands that low a limit because people call with all sorts of suited cards. so you just have to bet and hope your hand holds up.

what was the outcome? did u win or lose?

     
  19-Apr-12, 11:19   #4
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Chartoule 
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Hi guys!!

I squeeze a little more preflop in BB position, around .24/.28 because if joanvilla calls the other 2 guys must do it. and joanvilla will do it with a pp easily.

In flop. Ugly flop. draw a lot opened. Hands like JQ have his straight do it. Jx, 7x have a nice draw in a multiway pot. Is time to think if we want to put +100bb with an overpair vs all this draws. If you want to do it, well played then. Potbet flop + allin turn in the right move.

For me, i don´t like to put 100bb with that kind of flop and 4 players more in the hand.

     
  19-Apr-12, 13:33   #5
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sadamman 

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Yeah you didn't play it that bad but the way you got 3 callers preflop, is baaad. I would have probably played it similar, but maybe it needed a bigger raise preflop I'd say about 30/35. Thats like just under 1/5 of your stack, and with it being 1/2c I think you'd only come up against similar hands to yours, with that bet.

     
  19-Apr-12, 14:10   #6
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noonlion 

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Posted by sadamman:
Yeah you didn't play it that bad but the way you got 3 callers preflop, is baaad. I would have probably played it similar, but maybe it needed a bigger raise preflop I'd say about 30/35. Thats like just under 1/5 of your stack, and with it being 1/2c I think you'd only come up against similar hands to yours, with that bet.


Did some of the information get deleted? the river an his hole cards aren't showing.

With that many limpers you have to raise more than just 18c - at worst you get XXcents and they all fold.

Raise to 32c roughly.

On that flop you have to bet, but when you get called alarm bells should have been going off - even if you shove and they are on a draw they still have a decent chance of busting you.
So wise not to shove there.

I would have checked the turn and folded to any bets. You could be getting beat by trips and a straight is feasible too QJ/67 (although 67 much much less likely due to the betting).

Any further betting is getting you pot comitted.

     
  19-Apr-12, 14:27   #7
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Serpang 
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I agree with others, you didn't play bad, cause you out position. To evaluate this case, history really needed. Did she like raise with QJ / 10 9 suited connector or medium pair ? Did she like play draw, even big bet ? If she didn't, I am sure she hit 2 pairs or tris on flop.

     
  19-Apr-12, 15:48   #8
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doomdy 

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Its micro you can expect anything, its problably better (only on micro) to shove this hand preflop, you for sure get a caller and then its more EV+ then the way you played it with outcome a 4way family pot and no idea where you stand, problably in bad shape.

Anyway on higher stakes i wud raise little more to isolate and come headsup then if headsup you have to go all the way imo.

But hey its micros you cant play normal poker imho just go allin preflop and for sure its EV+

     
  19-Apr-12, 16:22   #9
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sadamman 

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Posted by noonlion:
Did some of the information get deleted? the river an his hole cards aren't showing.


I think he's going to post what happened after people say what they think. Confused

     
  19-Apr-12, 16:51   #10
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shokaku 

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Preflop is fine, even if you got a lot of callers, but i guess you made an overbet oop at the flop, when there is a good chance that someone has flopped a straight or 2pair. This leaves you little room on later streets, and you are more or less forced to play for your stack, multiway, with just one pair.

     
  19-Apr-12, 18:07   #11
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B1gfoot 

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Agree with Chartoule, actually IMO pre is a bad bet on micro, id be happy to shove pre as chances are you will catch a fish, if not min bet here for me would be .28
On flop if isolated via above it becomes much easier to play, now with so many people in the pot you should keep it cheap as callers will be drawing straight, hit straight,, very likely 2 pair and obvious set miners, not nice playing OOP with all guns blazing.
Anyway, the real downfall here is pre

     
  19-Apr-12, 18:38   #12
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Posted by sadamman:
Posted by noonlion:
Did some of the information get deleted? the river an his hole cards aren't showing.


I think he's going to post what happened after people say what they think. Confused


Yeah, I seldom post results before the discussion, as it tends to influence advice. Results are irrelevant in the long run, just looking to get info on wether the particular spot was played right or not.

It seems unanimous that the best sizing was off, but I already feel like I open raised big as it is.

On second thought, with an open min-raise and 3 limpers after, I guess I could have opened more. The pots already like 15bb, so I guess raising another 7 wasn't that big.

I realise I needed to re-pop big to discourage a multi-way pot.

     
  19-Apr-12, 18:44   #13
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pokkerimees 
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Joanville had probably AA and hes just donk minraising( i used to do it alot with AA,when i was starting poker, because i wanted "to get more money" Blink. But yes, your raise could be bigger preflop, you had raiser(min, but still) and 3 callers before you, so you really dont want to play KK against so many players.
Well, let us know the end.
Ups, i didn read your last post, so im like parrot now.

     
  20-Apr-12, 20:14   #14
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DaCapo71 
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Lol , this is the problem, you can hold a monster, but in every hand you have 3-4 calling stations. And the player with the crap hand is the hero at the river. But a push or fold battle is not the right way.

     
  20-Apr-12, 20:20   #15
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dozn01 

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dont take this the wrong way retribution but i have a few questions for you to answer Smile

1 how come your playing this low stakes when you claimed you won big in the past?

2 why put this question up when you give advise out to mobsters about poker?

3 you have a you tube channel giving advise out and why dont you know your own questions??


remember im only asking as a friend dont take it the wrong way Smile

     
  20-Apr-12, 20:29   #16
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Villian had KJo and spiked a 7 on the river. FML Tongue

Thanks for the feedback.

     
  20-Apr-12, 20:45   #17
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dozn01 

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Posted by retribution:
Villian had KJo and spiked a 7 on the river. FML Tongue

Thanks for the feedback.


you read my post above yours ???????

     
  21-Apr-12, 17:32   #18
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Chartoule 
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KJo and 7 on river (How many times we see that f*** kind of card in river?)

Thanks to you, retribution, to make this kind of post. I like post about hands and situations. Maybe more than play ( i play really few hands at this time).

     
  21-Apr-12, 22:14   #19
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Posted by dozn01:
Posted by retribution:
Villian had KJo and spiked a 7 on the river. FML Tongue

Thanks for the feedback.


you read my post above yours ???????


1) Because I withdrew and spent the majority of the money I won. 2007 Pontiac G6, prezzies for gf and other randomness. The rest is currently locked up in FTP.

2) Because I enjoy giving advice. Teachers themselves often learn from their students. I feel no-one is truly an "Expert" in any field, because there's ALWAYS something you can learn.

3) Because sometimes a spot is very tricky, and that's why it's best to ask for advice from your peers. Plus I feel there aren't nearly enough hand posts in this forum, so I like to post good ones to spark a discussion. I bet even Phil Ivey runs through hands with his poker peers all the time. It's all about evolving your game, and you do that through self reflection and study.

While I run a YT channel AND a website, all with content I've created, I do it because I like to share what I do know. Plus while I make the videos/articles, I do a TONNE of research which also helps with my game.

The thing with poker is, you should ALWAYS be looking to improve your game. That doesn't mean my advice is less credible, in fact you'd be hard pressed to find people that can genuinely disagree with much of what I say. I speak from experience, because I have been playing for years and during that time I've always focused learning on as much as possible.

A good case is Phil Hellmuth. I mean sure the guy won 11 WSOP bracelets and millions of dollars. But over the last few years, you always see him losing. This has a lot to do with his ego. He think he's the best, and refuses to adapt and learn. Poker has changed over the years, and he can't accept that.



     
  22-Apr-12, 07:30   #20
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dozn01 

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Posted by retribution:
Posted by dozn01:
Posted by retribution:
Villian had KJo and spiked a 7 on the river. FML Tongue

Thanks for the feedback.


you read my post above yours ???????


1) Because I withdrew and spent the majority of the money I won. 2007 Pontiac G6, prezzies for gf and other randomness. The rest is currently locked up in FTP.

2) Because I enjoy giving advice. Teachers themselves often learn from their students. I feel no-one is truly an "Expert" in any field, because there's ALWAYS something you can learn.

3) Because sometimes a spot is very tricky, and that's why it's best to ask for advice from your peers. Plus I feel there aren't nearly enough hand posts in this forum, so I like to post good ones to spark a discussion. I bet even Phil Ivey runs through hands with his poker peers all the time. It's all about evolving your game, and you do that through self reflection and study.

While I run a YT channel AND a website, all with content I've created, I do it because I like to share what I do know. Plus while I make the videos/articles, I do a TONNE of research which also helps with my game.

The thing with poker is, you should ALWAYS be looking to improve your game. That doesn't mean my advice is less credible, in fact you'd be hard pressed to find people that can genuinely disagree with much of what I say. I speak from experience, because I have been playing for years and during that time I've always focused learning on as much as possible.

A good case is Phil Hellmuth. I mean sure the guy won 11 WSOP bracelets and millions of dollars. But over the last few years, you always see him losing. This has a lot to do with his ego. He think he's the best, and refuses to adapt and learn. Poker has changed over the years, and he can't accept that.





cheers man sorry i had to ask keep up the good work also hope ya get ya money back from FTP

     
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