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  14-May-12, 13:31   #1
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geanyboy14 

Joined: Feb '11
Location: Romania
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common i lost every day with AA and AK, not even the best cards, every time when i maked an all in with them and called two or three players, i lost,its bankroll management?or what,dont belive that

     
  14-May-12, 13:40   #2
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Ibchris 
Joined: Aug '09
Location: Costa Rica
Age: 35 (M)
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Remember that AA and KK lose value when more players are involved. Also, remember to keep up bankroll management because there are just days when things dont go right and bankroll management keeps you in because poker is all about the long run and not what we just win today.... Best of luck to ya. Thumbs Up

     
  14-May-12, 16:31   #3
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Emmenaar89 

Joined: May '11
Location: Netherlands
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Its hard to throw away AA and AK and such, but now and then its a smart thing to do. Offcourse not preflop, but when more people are involved or when the board have good odds for other hands. Like four of the same suits and you dont have a card of that suite. Good luck man! Smile

     
  14-May-12, 17:15   #4
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WinAllDay 
Joined: Sep '11
Location: Canada
Age: 25 (M)
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Poker is a game is situations. You just telling us that you generally lose with 2 of the top premium hands in poker makes me think that maybe you are not playing them correctly. This is where education about poker math and experience in situations along with your read of the table and your table image. with all these variables in mind you make your decision. It is possible for ak to flop nothing but bricks and you have to fold. floating a flop with 2 overs against people who play standard poker is not a profitable play over time. AA is a little harder to fold, but i am never raise all in or ever 3-bet all in with AA. if i 3 bet it will be based on the raise etc. in cash game situations i never put all my chips in preflop unless i have a read on somebody, or if my 3-bet gets reraised and i push all in with the aces.

my advice is play the hands aggressively but be able to fold the premium hands if you get a bad flop. try not to invest all your chips but build a pot that you can either build, or get away from on the flop.

this advice is for online cash games, in tournaments theres many spots where open pushing with these hands is recommended.

     
  14-May-12, 18:54   #5
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remco2504 
Joined: Dec '08
Location: Netherlands
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He's telling that they call him when he goes allin (i think he means pre flop)
So when he gets called by 2 players this should actually pay of for him most times

I must say that i am scared to play those cards 2 online
You get them you raise ...2 people call...1 reraise...me allin preflop...2 calss...suckout
That seems to be the trend ... you always get sucked into a big pot with aces and loose it
i like my odds better when i am against AA with 10J suited or something online
Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile

     
  14-May-12, 19:30   #6
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Macubaas 
Joined: Apr '11
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What has to do bankroll management with going all in with AA or AK?

Did you played this game on cash games or on sng/mtt. Either way you should never go all in with these cards, you need to play them as any premium cards Blink

     
  14-May-12, 20:00   #7
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DaCapo71 
Joined: Aug '10
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33 percent of opponents dont call versus AA, other 33 percenr are suckouts. And with the rest 33 percent you can win. Yes with 66 percent of all AA hands we can´t win.

     
  14-May-12, 20:05   #8
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remco2504 
Joined: Dec '08
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Posted by DaCapo71:
33 percent of opponents dont call versus AA, other 33 percenr are suckouts. And with the rest 33 percent you can win. Yes with 66 percent of all AA hands we can't win.


What !???!!!??? Confused Confused huh..?

Serieusly ?? 33 % of opponent dont call vs AA ...what does that mean ?


     
  14-May-12, 20:49   #9
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Greenmohave 

Joined: Jan '11
Location: United States
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I've learned in the short time I've been playing poker that when the blinds are low 100 BB or lower these clowns will play every hand if they think they got a chance to win. Unfortunately that chance exists! So when your AA / AK get beat by the 10, 8 of clubs because the donk stayed it's very frustrating. I know it's not even the low blinds, you get called when your allin with some joker calling. It's hard to swallow, but electronic poker is tuff if your trying to play wise or logical.

I know I don't have no advice for this, but like someone stated there's just days when you can't hit even with the best hands pre-flop. Hang tuff and your days will come!

     
  14-May-12, 21:59   #10
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damosk 
Joined: Feb '11
Location: United Kingdom
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To start with, remember that poker is about making the right decisions at the right time. With your AA AK 3bet preflop is cool, as is re raise (even all in) if you get raised. But you have to balance that against your tourney life and the probability of winning based on the number of other players staying in the hand. The more that stay, the bigger probability that you may lose....so give it all some thought... not just "I have AA or AK and I am invincible". You are not and your losses show. But equally there will be days when your AA AK hold up and win for you. Thats poker!

     
  14-May-12, 22:22   #11
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jessthehuman 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
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Posts: 6441
Yes, AA, AK - these hands are terrible - little bit of advice; just muck them straight away - this is how to go far in poker.

     
  14-May-12, 22:54   #12
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bullettooth1 

Joined: Mar '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 32 (M)
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i have no problem getting all my money in pre with AA. they got beat today by AK lol when he flopped a str8 but its ok.
But i never want to get all in preflop with AK. if i get alot of action infront of me like a raise then a re-raise then maybe an all in, im certainly mucking that big slick. unless its a freeroll then im not too fussed lol.
but its very much situational. you have to get a feel for the table. plenty of experience and learning from books and forums will get you alot better at making these decisions correctly.

good luck Thumbs Up

     
  15-May-12, 00:48   #13
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wayney1233 

Joined: May '12
Location: United Kingdom
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i went all in yesterday with AA someone called with 44, a 4 came out on river card and gave him a3 kind

     
  15-May-12, 01:25   #14
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Serpang 
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No guarantee AA. KK , AK always win.Just read poker book Geanyboy, you will know how play that card, but it's doesn't mean always win !!! Just help to play better. Still need instinct to win, can't play automatic follow the theory and think you will win. Smile Smile

     
  15-May-12, 08:33   #15
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Chartoule 
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Posted by geanyboy14:
common i lost every day with AA and AK, not even the best cards, every time when i maked an all in with them and called two or three players, i lost,its bankroll management?or what,dont belive that


Standard. AA is only a pair and AK is nothing but A high card. Have great card preflop is a good thing but doesn´t mean you will win the hand. And with more player in it more difficult to win, of course. One great thing for our bank is learn when fold AA. I learn after spend 'tons' of $$$...

     
  15-May-12, 11:51   #16
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wolfydan 
Joined: Jun '09
Location: Australia
Age: 30 (M)
Posts: 90
Hey

i play them as any other strong hand as i have beat people with ak v aa and have been beaten with aa v ak and i think aa v 72 it sucks as but i just keep my cool and keep playing because there are always going to be callers and people going all in with sh%t thats poker and i have lost alot with strong hands v weak hands but i must say i have also won even more from the strong hands v the sh%t hands

     
  15-May-12, 14:09   #17
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geanyboy14 

Joined: Feb '11
Location: Romania
Age: 36 (M)
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ty for all answers,in the future i play more prudent I saw today that there is no rule,i won with 23 vs AKvs QQ vs TT vs KJ with full house 33322 ,i played with no rule and i won,ty and good luck for all players,poker at maxim--------AA AK KK Dollar Dollar Dollar or Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Big Smile see ya

     
  15-May-12, 14:16   #18
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Fakiry 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Portugal
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These are definitely not bad cards, what can turn them into bad cards is the way we play them or what happens in the game when we are using them. You say you went all-in with them, but have you done the all-in pre-flop? If so, you are going to the game in advantage but odds only give you around 60% chances of winning pre-flop with those hands, which means sometimes you can also loose, naturally. If your all-in was after flop, turn or even in the river, maybe you have some difficulty in folding those hands when you see you are probably behind your opponents, or you are misreading your opponents during the game. Try to think more about what your opponent may have in the hand. If you bet or raise pre-flop with those hands you will probably eliminate some opponents who could try to see if the flop brings something good to their game just for checking or calling a mini raise with hands worse than those. Imagine me with 27 in the hand against you with AA. I am BB, you only call and I check. Flop brings 22K. I haven’t spent any chips and I am already ahead of you, I will wait and hope for you to keep betting and I will just call because, all of a sudden, my bad hand turned into a nice one.

     
  15-May-12, 15:24   #19
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cbce 
Joined: May '12
Location: Singapore
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 2
yea aa and ak has pretty decent chances of losing no matter what especially against more people in the flop.

     
  16-May-12, 18:01   #20
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acomodador 

Joined: Apr '12
Location: Spain
Age: 42 (M)
Posts: 8
how many times you lose with AA or AK? certainly less than with other cards, but most amount of chips, you play a lot preflop, I when I go all in with AA or KK is because I have no choice but to pay and if I see that there are 3 or 4 players All-In will be that I can lose even if the hand

     
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