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  19-May-12, 14:53   #1
Was this risky? 0 
sadamman 

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Had been on the table for a while and the guy I was up against seemed like a donkey. T'was in a depositor freeroll on ps. Analyze please.

*********** # 70 **************
PokerStars Hand #80681378343: Tournament #554076328, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level X (200/400) - 2012/05/19 8:29:43 ET
Table '554076328 955' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: LetsSplitPot (2176 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: IAM1966 (16421 in chips)
Seat 4: John Alt (37093 in chips)
Seat 5: marzzzzz158 (8528 in chips)
Seat 6: sebibv79 (33094 in chips)
Seat 7: sadamman (19048 in chips)
Seat 8: himmeldog (6405 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: barbarloss (9685 in chips)
LetsSplitPot: posts the ante 80
IAM1966: posts the ante 80
John Alt: posts the ante 80
marzzzzz158: posts the ante 80
sebibv79: posts the ante 80
sadamman: posts the ante 80
himmeldog: posts the ante 80
barbarloss: posts the ante 80
IAM1966: posts small blind 200
John Alt: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sadamman [Qs Qh]
marzzzzz158: folds
sebibv79: folds
sadamman: raises 1200 to 1600
himmeldog: folds
barbarloss: folds
LetsSplitPot: folds
IAM1966: folds
John Alt: raises 1600 to 3200
sadamman: calls 1600
*** FLOP *** [2h Kc 3h]
John Alt: bets 4400
sadamman: raises 11368 to 15768 and is all-in
John Alt: calls 11368

     
  19-May-12, 15:00   #2
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noonlion 

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They could be donking for a flush. I see that lots.

They could easily have a king too, and any king would do.

the fact they betted into you should have been an alarm bell regardless of the fact he is a donk.

Lesbians (qq) look great but they get owned so often. If the king had been a jack then get it all in by any means.

     
  19-May-12, 15:04   #3
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B1gfoot 

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Yes, because we all know that the big stack always wins on PS.
As, like you say, he is a donkey then I would have raised more pre, if he came back with a re-raise its either he has premium or just going for a re-steal, I'd make my choice depending on stats, but again as you say he is a donkey I'd shove pre.

     
  19-May-12, 15:21   #4
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sadamman 

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I'll post what happened in a bit.

But for now just throw out my own thoughts on what was going off.

I was early position, and don't like open shoving from EP with Queens because I usually end up running into an even bigger monster. So I just standard 4x BB raised, nobody called, he was in the bb. He insta 2x raised me and I instantly thought he's deffo got a hand, but probably just any random ace. Post flop he was utg, he insta raised 4400, and I just thought it seemed like a pure impulse bet where he'd just threw the bet slider to any big-ish bet. This was making me think flush draw, maybe even ak. I decided it was probably a flush draw, and just shoved on him to try to defend my hand, and make it as dear as possible for him to draw.

     
  19-May-12, 15:22   #5
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WinAllDay 
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This situation feels like king-x to me. the fact he is going all in makes me think a-k or king jack. Its hard to judge without previous hands on this person. the minreraise in the BB seems like a sign of strength to me since not many people would fold to a minraise. i wouldn't mind a 4-bet preflop the donk bet makes me think he hit top pair.

I think fold is the right play, but as u stated this guy is a fishy player so its a tough one. I still think he has a king at least. either that or its a really bad bluff.

Edited by WinAllDay (Saturday, May 19, 2012 @ 15:26 GMT)


     
  19-May-12, 16:08   #6
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doomdy 

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Instant shove after his reraise preflop is what i noticed first.

     
  19-May-12, 16:12   #7
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sadamman 

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Yeah doomdy I did consider that, but just thought. I put him on a ace, just see the flop and if there's no ace, and he doesn't shove post flop, I will.

     
  19-May-12, 16:17   #8
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doomdy 

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Posted by sadamman:
Yeah doomdy I did consider that, but just thought. I put him on a ace, just see the flop and if there's no ace, and he doesn't shove post flop, I will.


Thats the scared way Smile

You have to put presure on oponents and you never do that with flatcall, its really a standard shove after his reraise.

     
  19-May-12, 16:20   #9
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WinAllDay 
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Posted by doomdy:
Posted by sadamman:
Yeah doomdy I did consider that, but just thought. I put him on a ace, just see the flop and if there's no ace, and he doesn't shove post flop, I will.


Thats the scared way Smile

You have to put presure on oponents and you never do that with flatcall, its really a standard shove after his reraise.


agreed. especially since this is a tournament.

     
  19-May-12, 16:20   #10
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sadamman 

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Posted by doomdy:
Thats the scared way Smile

You have to put presure on oponents and you never do that with flatcall, its really a standard shove after his reraise.


Yeah I know but its hard to back into the swing of things when you're scarred from a downswing which lasted 3-4 months. Where in most all in situations you where 70-90% favourite and the little bastards kept hitting.

     
  19-May-12, 16:22   #11
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doomdy 

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Posted by sadamman:
Posted by doomdy:
Thats the scared way Smile

You have to put presure on oponents and you never do that with flatcall, its really a standard shove after his reraise.


Yeah I know but its hard to back into the swing of things when you're scarred from a downswing which lasted 3-4 months. Where in most all in situations you where 70-90% favourite and the little bastards kept hitting.


You keep thinking of the money instead of thinking how to play good Smile
If you play good the money comes long run no doubt Agree

     
  19-May-12, 16:26   #12
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sadamman 

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I actually know that but still can't stop myself sometimes. One move fucks me up.

     
  19-May-12, 16:29   #13
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doomdy 

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Never think about money also never check bubble to survive only check bubble to know when its time to win easy chips.

     
  19-May-12, 16:52   #14
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Serpang 
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Posted by sadamman:
I actually know that but still can't stop myself sometimes. One move fucks me up.



Since he reraise pre flop and K show on flop, I pessimist with pocket QQ. Since you still have good stake no need push it. Just call if you hope another Q show. Good fold is needed to win, I am sure.
And we need to respect to our opponent instinct ( sometimes) even he played draw , he would get it if he play like that.

     
  19-May-12, 19:12   #15
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retribution 

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4-bet shove pre all the way. Stack size is gunna be awkward after the flop, as pretty much any bet or raise post flop is going to commit you both.

Feels like AK or AA.

     
  19-May-12, 19:14   #16
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AA-Daelt-AA 
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have to agree with that flat calls are ususally the wrong thing to do

     
  20-May-12, 08:21   #17
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sadamman 

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I think everyone has finished analyzing ConfusedIf not, you've took too long, unlucky. Agree

*** TURN *** [2h Kc 3h] King of diamonds
*** RIVER *** [2h Kc 3h Kd] 7 of clubs
*** SHOW DOWN ***
John Alt: shows [As Js] (a pair of Kings)
sadamman: shows [Qs Qh] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
sadamman collected 38776 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 38776 | Rake 0
Board [2h Kc 3h Kd 7c]
Seat 2: LetsSplitPot (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: IAM1966 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: John Alt (big blind) showed [As Js] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 5: marzzzzz158 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: sebibv79 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: sadamman showed [Qs Qh] and won (38776) with two pair, Kings and Queens
Seat 8: himmeldog folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: barbarloss folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I just posted this hand because I knew I didn't play it well at all. But at the end of the day I was right, and got a double up. Thanks for your comments guys, makes me believe in myself more, knowing I know everything. Tongue

Edited by sadamman (Sunday, May 20, 2012 @ 08:26 GMT)


     
  20-May-12, 09:32   #18
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Serpang 
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LOL Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile you very lucky, y Big Smile your opp donate his chips free Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile AJ suited spade and no spade on flop Question Question what's he looking for ? straight ? BLUFF after your big raise ? he hope you hold A 4 ? very fun Big Smile Big Smile

     
  20-May-12, 19:05   #19
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sadamman 

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Lucky? Or psychic? Confused

I think the thing is, sometimes I am, almost psychic. The tough bit is separating intuition, from ego. Ego is a very complicated, convincing, and manipulative thing.

     
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