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  19-May-12, 16:57   #1
Did i make the correct move? +1 
WinAllDay 
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***** Hand History for Game 11750074070 *****
NL Texas Hold'em Trny: 69423422 Level: 4 Blinds(50/100) - Wednesday, May 16, 11:36:08 EDT 2012
Table BankrollMob April $25 Freeroll (2598959) Table #29 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 8/10
Seat 6: IDEALStorm ( 2,430 )
Seat 3: Levitator555 ( 8,740 )
Seat 4: Nealekss ( 15,095 )
Seat 10: NickLeeson2 ( 8,395 )
Seat 5: dmitrirzn ( 3,410 )
Seat 7: elcrackero ( 1,800 )
Seat 1: flydispb ( 2,520 )
Seat 8: inda_skies ( 11,520 )
Trny: 69423422 Level: 4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to inda_skies [ Tc Th ]
Nealekss folds
dmitrirzn folds
IDEALStorm folds
elcrackero folds
inda_skies raises [300]
NickLeeson2 folds
flydispb folds
Levitator555 calls [200]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7c, 2c, 7h ]
Levitator555 checks
inda_skies bets [450]
Levitator555 calls [450]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7s ]
Levitator555 bets [1,550]
inda_skies is all-In [10,770]
Levitator555 is all-In [6,440]
** Dealing River ** [ 4c ]

I thought about calling instead of the push, whats yous opinon

Edited by WinAllDay (Saturday, May 19, 2012 @ 17:03 GMT)


     
  19-May-12, 17:04   #2
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sadamman 

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IMO you didn't bet enough pre and post flop, made it too easy for many hands like j10, kj, k10, j9 etc to be in the hand. I'm guessing a7, or he's a sicko and hes got 72.

     
  19-May-12, 17:11   #3
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WinAllDay 
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Posted by sadamman:
IMO you didn't bet enough pre and post flop, made it too easy for many hands like j10, kj, k10, j9 etc to be in the hand. I'm guessing a7, or he's a sicko and hes got 72.


I feel really comfortable playing 10-10 against this range. a-7 was def going through my head since he flat called preflop. I agree 2/3 on the flop was a small bet, could have gone 3/4 or more but I keep a standard raise of 3x BB from late position preflop to not give away my range.

i can eliminate hands involving a 7 on the turn when he leads out. I dont think he would bet there with the moral nuts, rather let me catch up, or even check raise. Im then thinking that he is thinking i have ace king and was just c-betting the flop (i have a high c-bet %) hoping to catch up on the turn. Its possible he had a small pocket pair or even a 2 in the BB.

Edited by WinAllDay (Saturday, May 19, 2012 @ 17:22 GMT)


     
  19-May-12, 17:23   #4
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Serpang 
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Looks like he had pair. Since he bet big on turn I figured he had QQ , JJ , A7 ( Question Sad Sad ) or bluff ?
I don't think so ! I will just call on turn and if 10 doesn't show on river, I will fold if he bet big.
Should be know how he play few hand before.

I need advise too, how is my play ? please advise me
Smile Smile

     
  19-May-12, 17:34   #5
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WinAllDay 
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Posted by Serpang:
Looks like he had pair. Since he bet big on turn I figured he had QQ , JJ , A7 ( Question Sad Sad ) or bluff ?
I don't think so ! I will just call on turn and if 10 doesn't show on river, I will fold if he bet big.
Should be know how he play few hand before.

I need advise too, how is my play ? please advise me
Smile Smile


its hard to put him on QQ or JJ because of the flatcall preflop. IMO anyway.
I didn't have any history with this player. i was delt this hand a few hands after being placed at the table.

I thought about the call fold option but the thought of it made me sick. I thought that my push had some fold equity, and also equity to get called by worse hands. I didn't feel like I was behind to a lot. I think 10% or less of the time i just call here, 30% fold and 60% raise. is this wrong tournament strategy?

     
  19-May-12, 17:37   #6
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doomdy 

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Well played Thumbs Up

     
  19-May-12, 18:54   #7
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AA-Daelt-AA 
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TT is not that easy to play but i dont think u did wrong, maybe bet a little more but with that kind of flop, if he calls u are most of the time behind your opponent that can have JJ or better.

     
  19-May-12, 18:55   #8
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uhhcallmi 

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[2012-05-19 20:51:52]: starting hand #6217196
Table: €20 Freeroll - NL Hold'em 400/800 Ante: 75 (Tournament hand #74060, table 6)
Starting game.
seat 2. uhhcallmi [16298 chips]
seat 4. leo11 [19585 chips]
seat 5. puertabarba [30929 chips]
seat 7. @lone [45188 chips]

uhhcallmi posted ante (50)
leo11 posted ante (50)
puertabarba posted ante (50)
@lone posted ante (50)
Betting round ended. Main pot: 200
@lone posted SB (300).
uhhcallmi posted BB (600).
Dealing cards:
@lone: 7c, Qc
uhhcallmi: 4c, 8c
leo11 folded.
puertabarba folded.
@lone raised 600 to 1200.
uhhcallmi called 600.
Betting round ended. Main pot: 2600
Dealing flop: 8d, 4d, Qh
@lone bet 2600.
uhhcallmi raised 2600 to 5200.
@lone raised 2600 to 7800.
uhhcallmi raised 2600 to 10400.
@lone raised 2600 to 13000.
uhhcallmi raised 2048 to 15048.
@lone called 2048.
Betting round ended. Main pot: 32696
Dealing turn: 6d
Dealing river: 6s
uhhcallmi showed: [Qh 8d 8c 6s 6d ] - Two pairs, Eights and Sixes.
@lone showed: [Qh Qc 8d 6s 6d ] - Two pairs, Queens and Sixes.
@lone won main pot with Two pairs, Queens and Sixes.
@lone won 32696.
Hand ended.


1rst tournament i played there ,,just registered.. lol

i ended 4rth place ,earning 1.20 $ hahaaa 1rst prize is 2$ so did not miss much ,,however , i got punked

     
  20-May-12, 15:30   #9
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WinAllDay 
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erm...... uhhcallmi, i feel like your post should be its own thread

     
  22-May-12, 05:35   #10
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WinAllDay 
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---END OF HAND---

** Dealing River ** [ 4c ]
Levitator555 shows [ Qs, Qh ]a full house, Sevens full of Queens.
inda_skies shows [ Tc, Th ]a full house, Sevens full of Tens.
inda_skies wins 2,780 chips from the side pot 1 with a full house, Sevens full of Tens.
Levitator555 wins 17,530 chips from the main pot with a full house, Sevens full of Queens.

     
  22-May-12, 07:54   #11
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Mysik86 

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At this hand, you played well... and he played well...

You had TT, he had QQ... In this freeroll, some of donks played like A7, 27 etc... so I thought, he had some of this Smile
QQ in hand is sooo hard to brake... You may bet him with KK, AA or T in the flop Blink
But you played well - for me Tongue and I'm not expert Blink

     
  22-May-12, 08:23   #12
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SuperpokefA 
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Your bet on the flop was perhaps on the low side so he had good odds to call.
On the flop i would have put him on a pair.
I surely wouldn't have put him on QQ+ because he did not 3 bet preflop.
His play on the turn is suspicious though: If he had a low pair he made his full house but would have played check/call because of the danger of a higher full house.
So A7s was another possibility but less likely, with 3 sevens on the board.
So there's only JJ left : you could have made a small 3bet and fold if he 4betted.
But afterwords it's always easy Smile

     
  22-May-12, 10:50   #13
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Chartoule 
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Hi WinAllDay.

I agree with the other mobsters that thinks you play well. Nothing to do except put a note on the guy with QQ and try another hand. Better luck next time.

     
  22-May-12, 11:23   #14
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awood88 
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I think you played it well. I wouldn't have expected QQ there for the same reasons you said. It's not that big a raise preflop so you expect a raise from big hands. They then check call the flop when there are flush draws and Aces in the deck so you can't put them on an over-pair. I'd say it was a middle pair at best. And you can't put him on a 7 as a standard hand cos it's one of the few hands he could have.

I think a shove on the turn was a good move. You might get called by any 2 or middle pair and you don't have to worry about an Ace or other scare card on the river.

     
  22-May-12, 12:20   #15
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Fakiry 

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Blinds were 50-100 at this time, which means the game is still in the beginning. I think you did well in moving that way, Winallday. Either he has a pair just like you or he went to see this hand with A7 or A2, just to see what would come, although, if so, he had made a very risky move, because you had more chips than him before the hand started. He slow-played at the flop but he bet on the turn, he thinks he is better than you. I would have done just the way you did, putting him all-in in the end and, even if he had a better pair than you to make the full house, I consider you played well.

     
  22-May-12, 14:05   #16
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WinAllDay 
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Thanks for the input guys. I can win every hand, I can only play them right and hope variance is on my side.

just to justify my all-in once more. I do realize it was still early in the freeroll but this coincides with my "Converting min cashes to deep runs" thread." I was planning to win a big pot for a deep run. I dont think i would be able to fold if i 3bet the turn and he 4 bets me. so the 3bet push just puts that much more pressure for the Q-Q to fold.

Owell, I still feel good about myself, even tho i busted. thanks for the opinions

     
  22-May-12, 14:19   #17
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Sir952 
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What is the hand you can beat if you call? 8-8, 9-9 and 77722 full house wont go all in in this spot. Why on earth anyone would want to bluff in this spot, because it is rare that people would believe trips on the flop and quads on the turn. So your hand really is a pure bluffcatcher.

But stupid slowplay for the guy with QQ. There is too much chance that K or A will hit on the flop. So I'd put him on KK or AA.

Edited by Sir952 (Tuesday, May 22, 2012 @ 14:23 GMT)


     
  22-May-12, 14:29   #18
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WinAllDay 
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Posted by Sir952:
What is the hand you can beat if you call? 8-8, 9-9 and 77722 full house wont go all in in this spot. Why on earth anyone would want to bluff in this spot, because it is rare that people would believe trips on the flop and quads on the turn. So your hand really is a pure bluffcatcher.

But stupid slowplay for the guy with QQ. There is too much chance that K or A will hit on the flop. So I'd put him on KK or AA.


play the hand mentally from the other guy's perspective and think about what i could have? I could have a-k, a-q and trying to buy it? AA KK QQ are all in my range as well but there is just as many hands that i didnt hit with at all. this means ANY pocket pair could pay my off in this spot. 3-3 in this spot against a-k type hands is in great shape on the turn. I think my range has enough bluffs as it does value hands that worse than 10-10 pay me off. and if he has a-k its possible he calls to catch my bluff to. obviously a-k doesn't call very often. I think enough times worse hands call, that and the chance he folds and i win the pot right there add's more equity.

     
  22-May-12, 14:46   #19
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Sir952 
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Posted by WinAllDay:
Posted by Sir952:
What is the hand you can beat if you call? 8-8, 9-9 and 77722 full house wont go all in in this spot. Why on earth anyone would want to bluff in this spot, because it is rare that people would believe trips on the flop and quads on the turn. So your hand really is a pure bluffcatcher.

But stupid slowplay for the guy with QQ. There is too much chance that K or A will hit on the flop. So I'd put him on KK or AA.


play the hand mentally from the other guy's perspective and think about what i could have? I could have a-k, a-q and trying to buy it? AA KK QQ are all in my range as well but there is just as many hands that i didnt hit with at all. this means ANY pocket pair could pay my off in this spot. 3-3 in this spot against a-k type hands is in great shape on the turn. I think my range has enough bluffs as it does value hands that worse than 10-10 pay me off. and if he has a-k its possible he calls to catch my bluff to. obviously a-k doesn't call very often. I think enough times worse hands call, that and the chance he folds and i win the pot right there add's more equity.

There is NO WAY ppl will bluff at this spot so largely to win so little. 10,770 in small pot with purpose to bluff is idiotic. Why on earth would you buy a pot with A-K, its a mistake to always think that ppl are pissed off completely and acting like a maniac when strong drawing hand misses.

     
  22-May-12, 15:35   #20
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WinAllDay 
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Posted by Sir952:
Posted by WinAllDay:
Posted by Sir952:
What is the hand you can beat if you call? 8-8, 9-9 and 77722 full house wont go all in in this spot. Why on earth anyone would want to bluff in this spot, because it is rare that people would believe trips on the flop and quads on the turn. So your hand really is a pure bluffcatcher.

But stupid slowplay for the guy with QQ. There is too much chance that K or A will hit on the flop. So I'd put him on KK or AA.


play the hand mentally from the other guy's perspective and think about what i could have? I could have a-k, a-q and trying to buy it? AA KK QQ are all in my range as well but there is just as many hands that i didnt hit with at all. this means ANY pocket pair could pay my off in this spot. 3-3 in this spot against a-k type hands is in great shape on the turn. I think my range has enough bluffs as it does value hands that worse than 10-10 pay me off. and if he has a-k its possible he calls to catch my bluff to. obviously a-k doesn't call very often. I think enough times worse hands call, that and the chance he folds and i win the pot right there add's more equity.

There is NO WAY ppl will bluff at this spot so largely to win so little. 10,770 in small pot with purpose to bluff is idiotic. Why on earth would you buy a pot with A-K, its a mistake to always think that ppl are pissed off completely and acting like a maniac when strong drawing hand misses.


A) its early in a freeroll, and people would call much lighter than a-k im sure.
B) would you fold on the turn with 7's full of an overpair 10's early in a freeroll, or do you call-fold the river? In a cash game situation if i was deep obviously this pot would be played very very VERY differently. The fact its a tournament, and in my opinion there was enough fold equity, and strong enough showdown value that I made the play.

I could download pokerstove and start running some numbers against ranges.

thanks for your opinion though.

     
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