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  12-Jun-12, 03:22   #1
Winning time and Tilt 0 
ayaraled 
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How do we manged this 2 things? Winning is really good but how long does it last in poker tables especially in cash games?How about tilt, how does it really affect the way we play? After a bad beat and moving all in the next hand with a monster or marginal hand in cash game or tournament, is that already tilting?

     
  12-Jun-12, 05:02   #2
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Aces_Bluffer 

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Posted by ayaraled:
How do we manged this 2 things? Winning is really good but how long does it last in poker tables especially in cash games?How about tilt, how does it really affect the way we play? After a bad beat and moving all in the next hand with a monster or marginal hand in cash game or tournament, is that already tilting?


You are tilt when you play hands you shouldn't, or even when you are not playing hands how you should play'em. Mostly you'll get titl when you had a bad beat like losing AA vs stupid calls such as 45s which hits the flush or straight. Then you want to get your money back and you tend to modify your game style, which is not profitable.

If you feel you're becoming tilt, you should go to bed and just get some sleep to stop losing money.

In the other hand, when you are in an upswing, you must get profit from it and continue playing your game style. Don't try to get more money or call with low projects. Just think as if you were on a normal day, even profit, and keep it up. Most problems from upswings come from playing too many hands and feeling undefeatable.

Regards,
Aces.

     
  12-Jun-12, 05:43   #3
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ayaraled 
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Thanks aces.your comment is very useful for me.last night i was playing good in betfair SNG Rookie 10 cent buy in finish 3rd,1st, 1st 1st in the 4 tables but after this game i have to go to buy some medicines. Big Smile.when i came back my game was dry but not so bad. I played 4 tables and got break even. Got beaten in the 2 tables and 3rd place the other 2 then i go so sleep...tonight again ill try my luck.Hopefully on the winning time again...

     
  12-Jun-12, 06:25   #4
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Serpang 
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Winning time...hmmm someone told to me ( us at table ) :you have to learn how to exploit it !! when he got complain why he played crap card ( he in lucky time at that time ).
My experience teach me : he was right but not easy to practise it. when I lost that moment with doing nothing ( just wait properly card to play ) I no have enough chips to next and Blind kill me.

Did you ever have the same ? How do you solve that problem ? Smile Smile

Edited by Serpang (Tuesday, June 12, 2012 @ 06:33 GMT)


     
  12-Jun-12, 09:17   #5
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Chartoule 
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Hi ayaraled.

About tilt. Is our worst enemy. Makes us make decisions more EV- than usual. At the first symptom of tilt, stop play.

About winning time. The way of make moeny in poker is not during the winning time. Is not losing (or better losing as few possible) when we are not in a winning time, imo.

     
  12-Jun-12, 10:23   #6
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bullettooth1 

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tilt is where we are not playing how we normally play. it can be subtle, so you might not notice it.
the way you can determine if you are tilting is by taking a few minutes to think back about your last few hands and see if you played them how you normally would.

also you can go on 'possitive tilt' this is where we play more hands than we normally would because we think were running so good we cant be beat.
i think this is the one that can change a winning session into a losing one very quickly so you need to be aware of that too.

ive noticed that i used to do it also. i would call a big preflop re-raise with suited connectors or a small to medium pp because i think im running so good that i will hit the flop in a big way. i usually never did and just lost a big chunk of what took me a while to build up.

so always ask yourself "did i play that hand in the best way" or "am i playing my best game" if the answer is no then your tilting.

good luck on the felts

     
  12-Jun-12, 10:51   #7
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occultum 
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Yes it's when you let bad emotions cloud your judgement mostly when you are donked away and usually you get punished by that trying to recover what you lost in a fast way.
By the experience that you described your not doing that bad .. regardless the sng lvl you have a nice win rate so good job.. not winning or placing 3rd in like 1/4 sng it's a good win rate remember that even if you are crushing a game and you feel you have a good strategy for it .. your gonna suck out a few times it's part of the game.

Being profitable is a very good thing just keep positive because you have reasons to be and continue grinding and soon you will have one of those big days.

     
  12-Jun-12, 10:58   #8
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Fakiry 

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I am a regular player in micro SnG and my way of seeing things is like this: Only when i win the equivalent to five times the value of the buy-in plus the rake i consider i am winning good, but i have to win more then ten times this value to consider i am winning really good. On the other side, if i happen to be loosing five times the value i paid for buy-in plus rake, i will probably decide to stop playing at that moment because i am passing through a bad downsizing. About tilt, til tis manageable, we can control it, it’s in our mind. Things can be running bad during a long period without being on tilt, it’s just the way the game is running on our side. Tilt is to start playing bad just for being suffering losses after losses and not knowing how to handle with it.

     
  12-Jun-12, 12:23   #9
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doomdy 

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Tilt is for donks imo, its about real money so if you tilt you problably loose money so no need to tilt imo.
All about self controll, poker is patience.

Edit: I never tilt but if i do i allways play a lowlimit rebuy and go allin every hand just to have fun and relax, i often go deep wih this strategy Agree

     
  12-Jun-12, 14:18   #10
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Mober 
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Some players and mostly experienced players and pros, still playing after getting
tilted.
Not a good thing though if you are not in one of those two categories.

Just take some time to relax and continue your games another day, cause it might
cost you more than you can think off.

     
  12-Jun-12, 14:38   #11
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Aces_Bluffer 

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Posted by Serpang:
Winning time...hmmm someone told to me ( us at table ) :you have to learn how to exploit it !! when he got complain why he played crap card ( he in lucky time at that time ).
My experience teach me : he was right but not easy to practise it. when I lost that moment with doing nothing ( just wait properly card to play ) I no have enough chips to next and Blind kill me.

Did you ever have the same ? How do you solve that problem ? Smile Smile


You can't wait cards all the time... If you are in an upswing, you should play some hands as 109s or 56s, which you usually don't play at all. That's because in an upswing, your stack grows and you can play some hands that are not really good preflop.

Remember that you don't have much posibilities of getting a pocket pair or AK, AQ, KQ and so on... So try to play some marginal hands to keep moving some chips, and in the worst cases you'll have to fold, in the best ones you may hit a project or even have a chance to bluff!

Regards,
Aces.

     
  12-Jun-12, 14:43   #12
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ayaraled 
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Thanks for the comment mobsters...played today sng at betfair.had some badbeat again but still make 3 1st place finished and 3rd place out of 6 games.played at yachting loss in SNG loss in NL cash game win in omaha cash game...controlled tilt and did not lose much.thanks for the help.....

     
  12-Jun-12, 15:46   #13
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uhhcallmi 

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Tilt is when u see uhhcallmi playing in a cashgame ,after half an hour... Big Smile

Ive just concluded,,I must be the worst cashgame player on this planet...or just have massive bad luck..


yesterday ,,i enter a table on Titan poker,,with my free no.dep bankroll, its Hu

i start with 23 $ so already won 7 dollar grinding micro sng's ,then i say tomyself ,well if i wanna

make a lot of titan points to get the rest of the freebankroll i must definetely play some CASHGAMES ,because ,i cannot enter buy-ins over 1 $..

just not allowed with the BRM-non-deposit offer...1rst u have to make 400 titan points..then u may..

OK, so i enter cashfgame Hu,, 1 guy waiting for me at table with 20$ ,i enter with 10$ half his stack,,trying to win it all..

there it comes ,,i own him and make from this 10$>>> 25.85$ and say to myself next hand i leave the table,,,

and i hit a monster Q-Q i play ,fucker has A-K and wins so all profit almost gone, 5 minutes later ,,i have him beat again and am already over 27$,,thinking he might shove any moment ,because he might be tilted..

and again..the moment i say to myself i leave table next hand ,,this is enough profit...
same s**t happens again...we clash , i hit a straight on the flop,,,he hits a flush on the river...

finaly i left with 8$ profit...from that table...

now the real tilt came over me at other 9pl. full ringtable..

30 minutes ,,whatever tophand or topflop i see, ive lost...lose with monsters ,win some with marginal hands..but realy lost 70% of all the freee bankroll..

i hate cashgames more and more..and i also concluded i'm just stupid to let me drag to these cashtables...while i do so good in sng's and mtt's.

TILT is my worst enemy ,,after that it has also bad influence on the sng's i play..


Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap!


today,, back in bussiness Smile just won 1rst place in freeroll at yachtingpoker...entry to 3.20eu tournament 125eu Gt.. but ill take the money and unregister,,it's a rebuy...

and yes ,at titan i'm climing back to 10$....it was down to 3.5 $ this morning.

still havent won a single 30player sng there,,, ended 5th place yesterday ...win 2.5$ pfff Disagree

oh yeah ,got exactly 164.58 titan points now ...so 236.42 to go...for release next ..part of promotion.

took me 2 days to make 164 titan..but it realy sucks u cant enter 2$ or higher buy-inns..with this promotion,,so very hard to release the whole offer,,without making a deposit or go bankrupt.

probably i have to get back to even lower stakes,,0.50 buy-inns to stay alive and keep the bankroll

healthy.

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if i ever bet on a cashtable with K-K ,and get reraised,, i always play against A-A...

What the Hack is going on???

if this happens 2 times in an hour...who would not get tilted...?????

and when i hold A-A ,being BB,, everyone folds to me,,,most strange thing happended on titan yesterday..

we play with 9 players,,and after i lost around 12-14$ ,, 3 times 4-5 dollar,,don't have exact numbers..suddenly

All other 8 players left the table at the same time..HUH????

had not tracked anyone ..being so busy and tilted...but when they left i thought ,did i play

against pokerbots??? why 8 people leave all at the same HAND???

Have not exp. this ever in the 2 years i play online...so very sceptic...at the moment..


Edited by uhhcallmi (Tuesday, June 12, 2012 @ 16:07 GMT)


     
  12-Jun-12, 18:21   #14
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Mark 

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lol yeah that last part sounds pretty damn fishy Sleepy

     
  12-Jun-12, 21:15   #15
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Greenmohave 

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I watch so many players go tilt after losing a big hand and then their game is over. You've got to maintain composure and even if you get a folow-up hand that's worth going allin take the time to play patiently. It's like a lot of players give up because they lose 1/2 or 3/4 of their chips in a hand. Some of my best games are where I come back from a few hundred chips. It's capable of being done so never think it's over.

     
  12-Jun-12, 22:27   #16
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damosk 
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I agree totally with Greenmohave..... I have at times been in that position and got frustrated and shoved needlessly, whereas taking time and compsure have come back from the brink to make a good position and take a nice slice of the winnings. What is perhaps as important as recognising this in yourself is recognising it in opponents and using it to your benefit. Dont just throw your stack away cos you lose one hand.

     
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