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  22-Aug-12, 08:02   #1
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vice27 
Joined: Oct '11
Location: Bosnia and Herzegovina
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 12
I dont now whay but i think that if your not from west europe or USA or some rich country you can make good results on online poker like pokerstars, or 888. That is not normal i now what is downsving everybody know ho play poker. But every time when i make good bankroll its happents that when i play zoom on pokerstars(play holdem and omaha 5-10 or 10-25 cent) i have in 2h maybe 10 hands like AA or KK or QQ preflop play allinn and i loose 9 times against 88 or 99 or wtf J10 and about omaha is bether that i dont speak. Turnament same story.I make 200$ for 10 days and than in 2h everything is gone ?? Who can fold AA on preflop allinn nowhone, or KK ? In zoom i play maybe 12% hands only premium hands and 4mounts in a row its hapents everything same !!! Aww crap!

     
  22-Aug-12, 08:09   #2
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pochui 

Joined: May '08
Location: Lithuania
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 8628
can you explain me how having your aa cracked relates to eastern europeans being unlucky and someone from usa or any other rich country being the luckiest? Confused it just means that YOU lost- that's it, think less globally dude Big Smile btw people from usa are more lucky because they are not allowed to play at pokerstars- so they do not lose their money there Big Smile

     
  22-Aug-12, 08:25   #3
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vice27 
Joined: Oct '11
Location: Bosnia and Herzegovina
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 12
I think that never hapend what happents to me because you are sop hapy Worship if that hapents to you my friend 4 mounts in a row i would ask you if you remember that players from USA can play om PS.
Aww crap!

     
  22-Aug-12, 08:47   #4
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thefly131 
Joined: Jun '10
Location: Belgium
Age: 43 (M)
Posts: 1343
this has nothing to do with the geografic of the players.

For me it's quite simple, try to avoid all-ins preflop.

AA is a good hand but does not always win, it s better to do a raise of 3 BB and see what the flop brings.

I have lost with KK or AA several times to a straight or flush but saw it coming on flop/turn or river and could fold as the betiing got to high.

With 3or 4 spades on the table i fold with pocket aces when they do a pot raise or more , maybe they bluf me away sometimes but the risk is to high and folding is the best way to act

     
  22-Aug-12, 09:14   #5
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occultum 
Joined: Aug '11
Location: Portugal
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 232
First, eastern europe players tend to do rather well on pokerstars.. and if some don't it's because of their agrotard style that is very swing based. Ofc you need the bankroll to support the swings.. and my eastern europe friend.. if your destroying your money in 2 hours then you seriously need to read something about bankroll management.

Losing with monster is standard.. not very nice to happen to anyone i agree but, that's why ppl manage their money correctly and the 50BI 100BI rules exists.. it's to survive to the variance.. something that will catch us all .. it's scientific. Before asking yourself why you are not winning.. ask yourself why do you lose.

     
  22-Aug-12, 09:20   #6
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vice27 
Joined: Oct '11
Location: Bosnia and Herzegovina
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 12
omg, wtf ??? What are you think that when i have AA or KK i instant go all in ??? Omg i make raise oethers players re raise me and than all in !!! I i think that there is big diffrebt if you come from Croatia or BiH or serbia, romania or you come from deutschland belgia or UK !!! I now that poker is litle luck and loot of skills ! But i lost 120$ in one day with any times QQ against lower pair like 77 or 99 ! I think i have in this 1 hour 7 or 8 times QQ and every time i loose and every time i was against underpar only one against AK !!!! And than dont speak me some phrases. This is thrue and i will play only one mounts on PS and if one more time hapends to me by by PS asshollllll. And same people how have same positiones like me i tell that doing same. Today there is not any player who play 8 or 9 years holdem like me that didnt read a lott of poker books and play a lott live game and player like that can be bad player and nowhone can tell me that is some unlacky. If one player need make some money some must loose money and guys from PS and oether networks are give litle advantage to the west country !!!! THAT IS TRUE Worship

     
  22-Aug-12, 09:23   #7
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thefly131 
Joined: Jun '10
Location: Belgium
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A lot of beginning players can not fold their hands in time.

eg you can play KJ in late position and raise 2 or 3 BB but if you get a big raise )(pot raise or more) from one of the players behind you it s better to fold. A lot of beginning players make the call and they can just hope for a big hit on the flop.

Even with monster hands like AK is wise to fold after the flop if you did not have a hit and your opponent does a big raise . A raise of 1 or 2 BB you can call.

It s not easy to fold good pocket cards after the flop but you have to learn to let them go in time

     
  22-Aug-12, 09:27   #8
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occultum 
Joined: Aug '11
Location: Portugal
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 232
Eastern you have alot of threads around with people crying about pokerstars being rigged and posting their awesomeness bad beats .. other people supporting the cry aswell.
I think your chances of suceed in what you are seeking would be pretty higher there.

Or maybe.. PS just hates russkis :/

     
  22-Aug-12, 09:35   #9
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vice27 
Joined: Oct '11
Location: Bosnia and Herzegovina
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 12
You are not reading or what is theme of these post i now that bad player play from UTG or MP card like QJ or K10 but i telling you that i lose 120 dolars in 8 hands everytime with QQ against underpar and once against AK and downswing like that hapends to me last 4mounts and i make some money and than in 4or 4 hours i loose what i earn all mounth. And than dont tell me some rouls about 50 or 100BI i have maybe 30 and what is same pain for me Disagree !!!! I dont now maybe problems is zoom okker but regular is to slow for me

     
  22-Aug-12, 10:20   #10
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jessthehuman 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
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Posts: 6441
Posted by vice27:
I dont now whay but i think that if your not from west europe or USA or some rich country you can make good results on online poker like pokerstars, or 888. That is not normal i now what is downsving everybody know ho play poker. But every time when i make good bankroll its happents that when i play zoom on pokerstars(play holdem and omaha 5-10 or 10-25 cent) i have in 2h maybe 10 hands like AA or KK or QQ preflop play allinn and i loose 9 times against 88 or 99 or wtf J10 and about omaha is bether that i dont speak. Turnament same story.I make 200$ for 10 days and than in 2h everything is gone ?? Who can fold AA on preflop allinn nowhone, or KK ? In zoom i play maybe 12% hands only premium hands and 4mounts in a row its hapents everything same !!! Aww crap!


pfft what a ridiculous comment. With an attitude like that you'll never be a winning player and goes a long way in explaining why you're not a winner already - if you make excuses instead of study the game you'll always be a loser, better you accept this early.

Also - I see idiots all the time saying the game is fixed to allow eastern European 'donkeys' win to encourage them into the game (since poker is starting to book in eastern Europe).

     
  22-Aug-12, 10:47   #11
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pochui 

Joined: May '08
Location: Lithuania
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 8628
Posted by vice27:
I dont now whay but i think that if your not from west europe or USA or some rich country you can't make good results on online poker

move to west europe or usa then Smile

     
  22-Aug-12, 11:02   #12
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0HighTimes0 

Joined: Feb '12
Location: New Zealand
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 143
ZZZZZZOOM Big Smile
NOWHERE
NOW <> HERE
NO<>WHERE
U don't get reads/tells much on player's unless u watch how hand played out( keys Q+ some thing?, cant remember & cant be bothered looking up)
& the Variance is great in Zoom(greater than MTT's), u have too play ABC poker(maths, theory, odds/outs), no bluffs etc,
ABC, as the cards will tell thee story, like most great multitable players play like (Randy Lew)
Play the cards your dealt, not thee Oplayer's ( & yeah it sucks when u get sucked out on AA etc, but how many times u won with lower holding cards against AA etc?)
Thumbs Up

Randy Lew, Opps again, Link posted, prohibited by BRM (self censored) lol Big Smile
24 tables at once WOW Shock (I hope this isnt prohibited by BRM) Big Smile
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QzhQIOFNhU&feature=...

Edited by 0HighTimes0 (Wednesday, August 22, 2012 @ 11:50 GMT)


     
  22-Aug-12, 11:32   #13
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teddybears73 
Joined: Nov '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 59 (M)
Posts: 3176
i think the bast option for you is......don't play zoom anymore. Aww crap!

     
  22-Aug-12, 13:02   #14
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occultum 
Joined: Aug '11
Location: Portugal
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 232
I understood you had a few badbeats but.. if your role is 200$ and you lose 120$ on 8 hands that means :

your losing 15$ per hand .. on a roll of 200$ representing 8% of your bankroll each hand.

Assuming .1 .. at best 100bb = 10$ .. you should have 1000$(100BI) , 50BI obviously 500$, the only acceptable option is 50bb with 50BI = 5$/250$

Assuming .25 at best 100bb = 25$ .. you should have 2500(100BI), 50BI obv 1250$, the lower acceptable option is 50bb/50BI = 12,5$/625$

Conclusion : your playing way over your roll.. and i'm not saying this stuff to let you down i understand your rage but.. if you play lower limits and you suckout.. you won't put yourself in situations where a hand represents 8% of your whole bankroll so you will take it much easier.. and have alot of chances to beat the variance which can be crazy. Personally i never lost 9 times in a row with QQ+ but it happened to you and i'm sorry for you, except for the QQ i wouldn't put 15$ on that light.. but just trying to be helpful!

In the end of the day .. it's your money so do what you like with it!

Edited by occultum (Wednesday, August 22, 2012 @ 13:15 GMT)


     
  22-Aug-12, 14:54   #15
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IslandJack 

Joined: Oct '09
Location: Belgium
Age: 53 (M)
Posts: 2847
I've been playing Zoom for 4-5 days now regularly.

Big swings up and down, but ++$ in the end.
When I lose my whole buy-in, it's often with a pre-flop all-in with AA or KK.
QQ I don't do anymore, too many top 2 hands in Zoom.

It happens to lose with those hands, but that's Poker.
Please drop the "Western Countries have an advantage over Eastern" bull.
Sounds plain dumb to say that.
It's also ridiculous, because then all would be rigged against everyone, not just Eastern, as they want that market badly and will not diadvantage you against others.
Makes ABSOLUTELY no sense.
Just varience, and Zoom has more of it than any other type of game. Period.

     
  22-Aug-12, 15:38   #16
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Mober 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Greece
Age: 39 (F)
Posts: 10016
If you think so about the Western and Eastern countries, why dont you just ask
if that crap happens to westerners?
Two days ago lost in a tourney both with KK and AA preflop all in Smile
and with the second all in i got out of the tourney also.

     
  22-Aug-12, 19:43   #17
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Macubaas 
Joined: Apr '11
Location: Romania
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 6668
Considering you were playing such high variance games like zoom/rush poker you should definately expect really high swings compared to normal games.

I also think you mightly be a bit on tilt so a break could be really good for your game and bankroll

Blink

     
  23-Aug-12, 08:45   #18
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Sorin888 
Joined: Apr '11
Location: Romania
Age: 51 (M)
Posts: 2375
I have this theory that poker sites have a sofware that can give you "bat beats" from time to time to put you in TILT mode,so you loose with good cards and finnaly lose money and deposit more to poker site.This has no area code on it,not East or West have something to skip this scam.Is the way to do bussines with addicted peoples Cool

     
  23-Aug-12, 10:21   #19
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Mysik86 

Joined: Nov '11
Location: Poland
Age: 30 (M)
Posts: 773
This thread should have the name "Poker online conspiracy theory by BRM users"

I read stories about MonsterRiver, TragicPlay vs BigStack and now NobodyLikesEasternEurope... It is as pity as funny Smile

I'll wait for stories like "I play on poker, when suddenly shark comes from PC and bite me"...

And serious - vice27 - did you notice, that MOST OF players in online poker like PokerStars are from Russia? And (if you remember well) Russia IS in Eastern Europe.
I also remind you, that player from Russia won 85B milestone hand in PS...

     
  23-Aug-12, 11:27   #20
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pochui 

Joined: May '08
Location: Lithuania
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 8628
Posted by Mysik86:
And (if you remember well) Russia IS in Eastern Europe.

russia is everywhere Big Smile damn it i am from eastern europe- so i am one of those unlucky players, once i understood this, i had an huge cry for half an hour or so, then though to myself, wtf? surely people from eastern niger/botswana/burundi are way more unlucky than me- they dont even have a pc, so they are unlucky because no one allows them to lose with aa Big Smile

     
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