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  9-Oct-12, 06:16   #1
WHAT A DONK !!! 0 
Mysik86 

Joined: Nov '11
Location: Poland
Age: 30 (M)
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PokerStars Hand #87376461335: Tournament #620809635, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (800/1600) - 2012/10/09 8:14:02 CET [2012/10/09 2:14:02 ET]
Table '620809635 29' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: cilim3 (24496 in chips)
Seat 3: yupatai10635 (29081 in chips)
Seat 4: TAYLOR'S SWE (26474 in chips)
Seat 5: stillmoney19 (58538 in chips)
Seat 6: Hermida21 (6084 in chips)
Seat 7: alex23061987 (30680 in chips)
Seat 8: serg45-77 (10202 in chips)
Seat 9: Mysik86 (6665 in chips)
cilim3: posts the ante 150
yupatai10635: posts the ante 150
TAYLOR'S SWE: posts the ante 150
stillmoney19: posts the ante 150
Hermida21: posts the ante 150
alex23061987: posts the ante 150
serg45-77: posts the ante 150
Mysik86: posts the ante 150
stillmoney19: posts small blind 800
Hermida21: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Mysik86 [Ah Ac]
alex23061987: folds
serg45-77: folds
Mysik86: raises 3200 to 4800
cilim3: folds
yupatai10635: folds
TAYLOR'S SWE: folds
stillmoney19: folds
Hermida21: raises 1134 to 5934 and is all-in
Mysik86: calls 1134
*** FLOP *** [8d 6c Ts]
*** TURN *** [8d 6c Ts] King of hearts
*** RIVER *** [8d 6c Ts Kh] 5 of diamonds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hermida21: shows [6d Td] (two pair, Tens and Sixes)
Mysik86: shows [Ah Ac] (a pair of Aces)
Mysik86 said, "LOL"
Hermida21 collected 13868 from pot
yupatai10635 said, "te das cuenta"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 13868 | Rake 0
Board [8d 6c Ts Kh 5d]
Seat 2: cilim3 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: yupatai10635 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: TAYLOR'S SWE (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: stillmoney19 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Hermida21 (big blind) showed [6d Td] and won (13868) with two pair, Tens and Sixes
Seat 7: alex23061987 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: serg45-77 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Mysik86 showed [Ah Ac] and lost with a pair of Aces


I thinking... WTF !!! I know that donks play on freerolls... but this was ridiculous!

Edited by Mysik86 (Tuesday, October 09, 2012 @ 06:16 GMT)


     
  9-Oct-12, 06:35   #2
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rbdflyboy 

Joined: Apr '11
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Posts: 1222
at least he flopped it. Cud have been runner runner. Thats been happening to me lately in MTT's and some cash games...mostly on Stars.

     
  9-Oct-12, 07:59   #3
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 6197
Nothing wrong with the T6s guy who was short and went allin, just standard play, he is ubershort and T6s is kinda a monsterhand so i wud ship that too giving the stacksizes.

Your move on the other hand (wud not influence the outcome btw) is bad, your only move is allin and pray you dont come into a familypot, you kinda minraised it up with nothing behind, really ugly move.
When i see this kinda play at my table iallways hope this play gonna be punished and get a beat they deserve (no offend to you btw).

Next time dont think in this spot just shove and pray.

     
  9-Oct-12, 08:11   #4
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thefly131 
Joined: Jun '10
Location: Belgium
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Posts: 1347
Posted by doomdy:
Nothing wrong with the T6s guy who was short and went allin, just standard play, he is ubershort and T6s is kinda a monsterhand so i wud ship that too giving the stacksizes.

Your move on the other hand (wud not influence the outcome btw) is bad, your only move is allin and pray you dont come into a familypot, you kinda minraised it up with nothing behind, really ugly move.
When i see this kinda play at my table iallways hope this play gonna be punished and get a beat they deserve (no offend to you btw).

Next time dont think in this spot just shove and pray.


I haev to agree : you should have gone allin from the start.

But it wouldn't have changed anything if your opponent makes the call.

But always keep in mind : AA will not always win.

Seems to me that I loose more often with AA (vs 1 opponent) than the 20 % given by the poker calculator. (AA wins about 80%)


     
  9-Oct-12, 08:12   #5
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retribution 

Joined: Mar '11
Location: Canada
Age: 37 (M)
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Posted by doomdy:
Nothing wrong with the T6s guy who was short and went allin, just standard play, he is ubershort and T6s is kinda a monsterhand so i wud ship that too giving the stacksizes.

Your move on the other hand (wud not influence the outcome btw) is bad, your only move is allin and pray you dont come into a familypot, you kinda minraised it up with nothing behind, really ugly move.
When i see this kinda play at my table iallways hope this play gonna be punished and get a beat they deserve (no offend to you btw).

Next time dont think in this spot just shove and pray.


Yup, blinds are 8/1600 and you've got 6665(lol) chips so you're sitting on what, 4BB so your only move is shove. In fact doing anything BUT shove that short usually cries out "I have a monster" to the rest of the table. I mean anyone with half a brain will see how much you've got left, and that you're obviously calling any raise, so they should be able to figure out your strong. I play hypers a lot, and this kind of move is ALWAYS strong.

Not sure I can agree that the guy with 10-6 made a good call. Sure he's suited and connected, but 3-gappers like 10-6 actually have pretty poor odds of hitting a flopped straight, so really his only strength is being suited, but he's still absolutely DOMINATED by anything that's raising like mysik did. Spots like that, it's better to be the shover than the caller. He's still got a few hands before he's in the BB again, so I think he SHOULD be folding and waiting for something slightly better. Heck I'd even advocate shoving 106s UTG that short, but definitely not calling in the spot he was with it.

Now if he was in the BB, I think it'd be a snap call given he'd have 1/4 of his stack in, with an already sizeable pot due to antes/etc. More-so if it's a multi-way pot. A hand like 106s has so little showdown value, which is why it's best to get the best pot odds you can.

Edited by retribution (Tuesday, October 09, 2012 @ 08:16 GMT)


     
  9-Oct-12, 08:21   #6
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jessthehuman 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 6441
Posted by retribution:

Now if he was in the BB, I think it'd be a snap call given he'd have 1/4 of his stack in


He was in the BB. All super-standard stuff, except OPs weird (awful) min-raise.

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Posted by retribution:
Not sure I can agree that the guy with 10-6 made a good call.... He's still got a few hands before he's in the BB again...


As above, he was BB.

     
  9-Oct-12, 12:19   #7
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fcumred 

Joined: Apr '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 47 (M)
Posts: 1238
The BB had to call. He had no stack and was down to "hit and hope". I'd have made exactly the same call, because basically once you get that low you may as well go all in with any two cards and hope.


     
  9-Oct-12, 12:31   #8
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Fakiry 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Portugal
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 4764
Why did you left less than a third of your chips behind? What were you thinking to do with them if you loose, just like it happened? You should have gone all-in, you would be showing much more strength, ok, but you were short compared with most of the opponents at your table. You played wrong. AA isn't always a winning hand, but in this case you took a bad decision for not going all-in. You can say you were hoping for other players who had more chips than you could call your bet being less than the all-in, but if any of the bigger stacks would have went to the game, it's obvious they would only go if they put you all-in pre-flop, no one would let you see a flop being the shortie, only if they played bad (and being a freeroll it could happen). Shock

     
  9-Oct-12, 13:06   #9
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SuperpokefA 
Joined: Jun '10
Location: Belgium
Age: 50 (M)
Posts: 178
Posted by doomdy:
Nothing wrong with the T6s guy who was short and went allin, just standard play, he is ubershort and T6s is kinda a monsterhand so i wud ship that too giving the stacksizes.

Your move on the other hand (wud not influence the outcome btw) is bad, your only move is allin and pray you dont come into a familypot, you kinda minraised it up with nothing behind, really ugly move.
When i see this kinda play at my table iallways hope this play gonna be punished and get a beat they deserve (no offend to you btw).

Next time dont think in this spot just shove and pray.



I have to agree with doomdy.
He already had 25% of his stack in the pot.
If he folds and folds again on the SB he only has 2 big blinds left.

For him this is a snap call.
Luckely for him he finds his cards

     
  9-Oct-12, 14:06   #10
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dozn01 

Joined: Sep '09
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 5000
why dont people read the post b4 commenting Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap!

     
  9-Oct-12, 15:48   #11
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marqis 

Joined: Sep '10
Location: Netherlands
Age: 48 (M)
Posts: 1631
I cant tell from just the hand history, but to be this short stacked (beyond desperation), and having pocket aces, seems to suggest you were waiting for a premium hand, while your stack was evaporating.

If indeed this was the case, maybe you should shove much earlier, when you still have some fold equity. Start shoving or folding when your CSI gets below 7, especially when you have postion and no one has opened yet).

(CSI = M = stack / cost per round; the cost per round = BB+ SB + all antes)

This way you can steal some blinds, and if someone calls, you have a healthy stack when you double up. If you leave it this late though, you're still in desperation mode, even after doubling up...

     
  9-Oct-12, 16:00   #12
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callie28 

Joined: Jun '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 45 (M)
Posts: 1122
its sic,your short stacked waiting on a monster then that happens,probably better not waiting and push with any 2,it seems to work for most players(except the good ones)..lol unlucky but you might win the next 4 times Confused ,gl all mobsters. Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile

     
  10-Oct-12, 15:17   #13
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Serpang 
Joined: Jan '10
Location: Indonesia
Age: 53 (M)
Posts: 1477
I agree with shove preflop, your opp have good feeling and luck. Not sure he would call if you shove.
But shove preflop is the best move since your stake less than 10BB. I suggest if your stake less than 17BB, better play shove or fold. try it ! Smile Train your feeling too Smile

     
  10-Oct-12, 18:06   #14
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Greenmohave 

Joined: Jan '11
Location: United States
Age: 52 (M)
Posts: 3361
I know where your coming from and want to share what I've been dealing with.

Playing in these silly STEP games on Carbon and there as bad as any freeroll if not worse since there's only 10 players per game each starting with 1000 chips.
Here's how it's been going, 1st hand - 3 to 5 players call Allin os this leaves 1 donk with 3000 to
5000 chips after one hand.
So now you have to fight your way through to being at least 1 of the final 3 players to get a STEP2 ticket which isn't a real problem. I mean your given 10 opportunities statring at STEP1 each day and I been placing top 3 about 75% of the time maybe even 80% that's how poor the players are at level 1.
The other challenge is, usually 1 or 2 players just sit out in hopes of winning a ticket with no effort.

     
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