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  29-Oct-12, 06:29   #1
wouldnt it be ironic 0 
retribution 

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If the money ps used to buy ft was their players funds.
shortly efter ft came back and ps ended up folding because they get
caught doing the same thing ft did. i know its unlikely but
it is poker and weve all seen how bad downswings can be lol.

     
  29-Oct-12, 06:57   #2
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jessthehuman 

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Haha I don't see PS doing that, but it would be pretty crazy, the poker world would pretty much topple over in a way in which it would never stand up again.

     
  29-Oct-12, 07:08   #3
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shokaku 

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That would be the knock out punch for online poker. But Stars is making so much money, i doubt they have to use such dirty tricks to collect the money for the FT take over.

     
  29-Oct-12, 09:18   #4
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pochui 

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Posted by retribution:
If the money ps used to buy ft was their players funds.

in a way it is- they use rake money to fund all their operations, so in the end we are "all at fault" that stars have so much cash to spend, and we can all think of ourselves as being part of the deal, even though a real a small one.
your stars doom theory look funny though- great idea- you would be a good "businessman" Big Smile

     
  29-Oct-12, 10:31   #5
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xdomagojx 

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Stars have separate bank account for every player and funds from them are intact, while most other sites have one account for all players.

     
  29-Oct-12, 13:05   #6
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Fakiry 

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That money should have been saved in a non accessible place since Black Friday, so i don't think that would ever be possible. Since US Gov saw what was happening and started investigating, all the accesses to the individual accounts was blocked and, most probably, all that money was freezed and moved into a restrict account of the US Gov or any other main identity, like the Fed or something like that.

     
  29-Oct-12, 13:32   #7
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jessthehuman 

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Posted by xdomagojx:
Stars have separate bank account for every player


That doesn't sound right - what is your source for that information?

It would be an accounting nightmare - considering how many people play on stars and how many new players there must be every day, that just doesn't sound right at all!

     
  29-Oct-12, 15:55   #8
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thefly131 
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Just keep in mind that PS is just trying to make more money with FTP.

This is the main purpose with any company.

But this means that any company is tempted to make more money by not following rules (like not to put your customers and employees in first place)

In my opinion all multinationals are putting the profit in first place versus their employees

What mean is that they just close factories (where peapole have worker over 20 years for this company) without any scrupuless (just based on figures)

I experienced the closing of the Ford factory in Genk (last week) from nearby and ironically it was announced exactly 50 years after the factory was built.
The multinationals have hidden agandas and policies

So PS will also have there reasons, but be sure ti will not be for the players itself.

     
  29-Oct-12, 18:11   #9
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Mober 
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By reading only the first sentence retribution, didnt manage to keep my self
from laughing. Smile
Never would have thought of this.But it makes you wonder after all, doesnt it? Smile

Find it hard having a separate bank account for each player

     
  29-Oct-12, 21:09   #10
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damosk 
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Of course the money used to buy out FullTilt was money belonging to players at some stage, and no doubt they have some kind of assurance or insurance to protect players money....dont they??? Well, lets wait and see but the amount of money ps has they shouldnt really fall into the same trap!

     
  29-Oct-12, 22:12   #11
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Greenmohave 

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I wouldn't even have thought of something like that, but boy would that mess up the whole scenairio with them opening FT and PS falling at the same time. Actually the DOJ has probably already investigated PS and found nothing on them other then to stop letting U.S. citizens play real money games. So initially we (U.S. Players) were effected by "Black Friday" through PS because we still can't play real money on PS. Oh well, hopefully the DOJ will soon open their eyes. Idiots!

     
  30-Oct-12, 06:02   #12
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retribution 

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Posted by Greenmohave:
Actually the DOJ has probably already investigated PS and found nothing on them other then to stop letting U.S. citizens play real money games.


Oh yeah, that's totally part of the due dillegence, thus I am 100% certain this scenario would never happen, just based on the fact the DOJ would have been very thorough before allowing the purchase.

Also to the people asking about the seperate accounts, this refers to a seperate account where ALL players funds are held in escrow, not 1 account per person. Of course that would be a book-keeping nightmare. 1 of the requirements of getting an operating license, is that poker rooms hold player funds seperate from operational expenses, something FT didn't do, which is WHY this all happened.

     
  30-Oct-12, 06:57   #13
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Mysik86 

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PokerStars has a lot of cash. And they come from rake. Look for a Sunday Million from October 28, 19:30 CET. There are 7169 entrants and each of them pay $15 rake. So PokerStars is over $107k from rakes! And this is one tourney!

     
  30-Oct-12, 07:36   #14
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retribution 

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Posted by Mysik86:
PokerStars has a lot of cash. And they come from rake. Look for a Sunday Million from October 28, 19:30 CET. There are 7169 entrants and each of them pay $15 rake. So PokerStars is over $107k from rakes! And this is one tourney!


Yeah, but what's the overlay on a tournament? Any tournies with guaranteed/added prize pools have to rake enough to at least cover the guaranteed/added pool, or obviously it's not a profitable tourney.

     
  30-Oct-12, 08:04   #15
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Mysik86 

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Posted by retribution:
Yeah, but what's the overlay on a tournament? Any tournies with guaranteed/added prize pools have to rake enough to at least cover the guaranteed/added pool, or obviously it's not a profitable tourney.


retribution - first check this tourney... Sunday Million has prizepool guarantee $1M.
There was 7169 entrants. Each of them pay $200 for prizepool and $20 for rake.

Prizepool was 7169*200 - it's mean $1433800 and was higher than guarantee, so PokerStars add nothing to this pool! And rake over $107k was pure profit for PokerStars!

     
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