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Supposedly I am a fish according to this calling station player which I have played against many times before and how he likes bluffing or chasing things as well as calling any raise. I beat him to this pot and he kicked off to me saying I was a fish blah blah.
Basically I was on the button and everyone limped in at first so I raised 4xbb with my K10s as I knew everyone else had rubbish and would hopefully fold. Every one folded except this guy and Sme(Who is a well known calling station but folded to the re-raise)The guy who called me a fish re-raised me hoping to bluff me out of the pot but I knew he would not have had a premium pocket pair as he likes to low bet and slow play them, so I called since I was in position. I flopped a King on the flop and knew he did not have one so I just called him down on every street as I knew he was chasing something and to stop me from losing loads if he made his straight if I raised more. I guess it worked for once.
This is the hand so judge for yourself if I am a fish or not.
** Hand # 4993662274 starting - 2013-08-08 00:16:20 ** St Andrews [Hold'em] (0.01|0.02 NL - Cash Game) Real Money
goobtit150 sitting in seat 1 with £0.60[Sitting out] leecotterill sitting in seat 2 with £3.52 megali12 sitting in seat 3 with £1.98 kieronjulian sitting in seat 4 with £0.69 Phisix sitting in seat 5 with £4.40[Dealer] sme477f sitting in seat 6 with £2.38 sme477f posted the small blind - £0.01 leecotterill posted the big blind - £0.02
** Dealing cards to Phisix: Ks, 10s megali12 called - £0.02 kieronjulian folded Phisix raised to £0.08 sme477f called - £0.07 leecotterill raised to £0.18 megali12 folded Phisix called - £0.12 sme477f folded
** Dealing the flop: 4d, 7h, Kc leecotterill bet - £0.26 Phisix called - £0.26
** Dealing the turn: 8s leecotterill bet - £0.60 Phisix called - £0.60
** Dealing the river: Qh leecotterill bet - £2.22 Phisix called - £2.22 leecotterill shows: 5s, 8d Phisix shows: Ks, 10s Phisix wins £6.39 from the main pot
Rake: £0.27
But thanks to this guy and changing my tactics to this sort of player for once I won back all that I lost last night plus a little extra.
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Always seems to be the player that loses the pot that shouts fish.
In a cash game a winning player would never tell a fish that he's a fish. Why would you want to scare him away with insults or get him to change the way he plays.
You can pretty much guarantee that anyone shouting fish is a losing player.
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Agreed. I was actually laughing to myself in a calm manner as he did it and I started asking back how so and can you explain why and when I tried to explain to him why I won and he just told me to stop talking, fish fish ect ect, ignored me then went on tilt by donking the next 4 hands of his hoping to hit big. everyone folded them all then I took the 3rd one off him by having a premium hand so his tilt became my gain
Fair enough if I was a calling station and lucked out when he had a decent hand then I would agree with him, but it was the other way around. Thinking smart I did not want to risk losing what I just made to him calling eerything so I have retired from poker for the night.
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What's so crazy is when you play on-line you can have your emotions thoroughly masked yet these keyboard warriors might as well be playing with a close up webcam trained on them. Idiots!!
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So true. He is actually the second person who has kicked off to me, the rest are either good at not talking or maybe bots. Theres a few people at 1/2NL who are big time callers so I have to be careful with them because they do tend to hit some big hands by calling anything, especially when they are on the same table.
Bread and butter though I guess if I can play them and not get lots of beats.
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What are you 'Fishies' doing up at 2:00am...???
------------ Down in the meadow in a little bitty pool Swam three little fishies And a mama fishie too "Swim," said the mama fishie, "Swim if you can." And they swam and they swam all over the dam
Boop boop diten datem whatem choo Boop boop diten datem whatem choo Boop boop diten datem whatem choo And they swam and they swam right over the dam
"Stop!" cried the mama fish, "Or you will get lost." But the three little fishies didn’t want to be bossed The three little fishies went off on a spree, And they swam and they swam right out to the sea
Boop boop diten datem Whatem choo Boop boop diten datem whatem choo Boop boop diten datem whatem choo And they swam and they swam And they got lost in the sea
"Help!" cried the fishies, "Look at the whale." And quick as they could, They turned on their tails And back to the itty bitty pool they swam And they swam and they swam Back over the dam
Boop boop diten datem whatem choo Boop boop diten datem whatem choo Boop boop diten datem whatem choo And they swam and they swam Right over the dam
Boop boop diten datem whatem choo And they swam and they swam right over the dam
Think I have realised I need to raise at least 10bb when having good cards on a table full of fish. Just had my K10(again lol) cracked by K4o. Nevermind.
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Your play seems ok to me. I probably would have raised to 7c to begin with. Seems pedantic but I don't want to give the impression I don't want the call (then again I don't know how often people call these raises at these stakes). I like the call behind. There's no reason to fold for 10c for 44c when you could potentially have the small blind calling and you've got position. I also like the call on the flop. It's a rainbow with no draws (you'd think) and if you raise you can only get called by better or be forced to fold against a bluff. It's also 26c into 96c so in a cash game I'd be happy to commit more chips. After the turn I'd probably raise to see where I am but that's without knowledge of the player or a good read on his hand. I'd figure that the potential straight draw is enough to warrant a shutdown on the hand without being worried about a made straight. I think that would force most people to fold a bluff or weak pair. If they reraised I'd put them on AK and fold. But I think you did well just calling all the way if you genuinely knew the opponent was loose and likely to c-bet anything.
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I have played with that player many a times so I know his ranges, unless he raises then it could be anything. These types of players like to call with connectors of any range in hope of hitting a big hand and slow playing you for more money. That Sme guy on the table above is the worse as he calls 99% of everything and always has a VPIP of around 80 and his PFR can be anything as he tends to raise with rubbish. Most of those types are the same and call anything. The worst just call every hand and can be dangerous as I have found out, limping in with premium hands and you think you are beating them with a smaller premium.
I should raise more when im position to lose players but I just worry that they will call anyway I miss my hand and they hit something as they always do. Even if they check before me and I know they have nothing a C bet or raise can be called by them hoping for a straight, flush or think I am trying to bluff and will call with the lowest pair on the board which they have.
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"Never call a man a fool...borrow from him"
"Don't shake the fish tank"
The only good reason to call someone a fish, is to get him off his game. If you think it will help you suck more money out of him than taunting is legit. If he really is a fish you better just thumbs-up him every time he wins a hand, so he'll continue playing his awful game
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I had this guy yesterday who kept calling me a fish, mongolid, inbred etc, basically just stealing all the insults i use on people to try to provoke tilt. So i just kept on saying "me no speaka de ingles" EVERYTIME he said something, it seemed to work in making him more tilted.
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Posted by IceQueenAce: Hmm
1/2 is not the level you are playing btw, that refers to $1/$2
What site is this, I would quite like to give you a game
Hmm? 1p/2p nl then.
Ladbrokes poker, why, you want to take all my money do you?
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Posted by sadamman: I had this guy yesterday who kept calling me a fish, mongolid, inbred etc, basically just stealing all the insults i use on people to try to provoke tilt. So i just kept on saying "me no speaka de ingles" EVERYTIME he said something, it seemed to work in making him more tilted.
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You wanting to see how much of a noob I am eh. I will be in those BRM home games this month so if you are joining those you may see me, otherwise I only play on Laddys these days as I prefer it to Fulltilt and Jokerstars. Although I do have some money in my account on William Hill poker.
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I don't get this 'Fish' thing... That implies that somebody has been 'baited' by someone or something.
The only time I put chips in the pot is if I think I might have a chance to win the pot,...or if the circumstances look right to pull off a bluff. If I don't,...I fold....simple as that!
I was involved in a hand earlier today in a BrM donkfest with JJ in my pocket. I just called. About 3 others called too. Some guy shoved,....so I called. MY decision to call,...nobody elses!
Everybody else folds,....all my chips are in now. He shows KK against my JJ. I figure I'm a goner, but hope to hit another J. It comes down to the river and BAM!!! I get my J and take a huge pot.
THEN,....some guy calls me a 'lucky fish'..... I don't get it...
How arrogant and diluded are people to think they got you to play your hand a certain way that THEY wanted you to...
In THIS case,...the fish jumped out of the water and swallowed the guy WHOLE....(no pun intended)
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That was not a fish move. The person who donked might have had no pair but bad for you he did. It's nice when your lower pair occasional crack a higher one.
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At some point everyone either we want it or not we become fishes. Its not like we never fold in other players bluffs, so what that tells at the end? We try not to, but not always successfully.
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Posted by Mober: At some point everyone either we want it or not we become fishes. Its not like we never fold in other players bluffs, so what that tells at the end? We try not to, but not always successfully.
Quoted for truth. Even the top players do it sometimes although they are named Sharks.
