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  21-Jan-14, 23:36   #1
Call or fold? 0 
Plexo 
Joined: Aug '09
Location: Chile
Age: 30 (M)
Posts: 1336
Not sure what to do here,
I ended up folding but may be I should've called.

Villian is a winner player in 66 hands VP 38 / PR 9
After thinking a lot I believe he might have had KK,JJ or TT less likely
What are your thought???????????


PokerStars Hand #110528396370: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2014/01/21 17:50:03 ET
Table 'Jokaste III' 6-max Seat #5 is the button

Seat 1: HERO ($2.56 in chips)
Seat 2: Szalon001 ($2.32 in chips)
Seat 3: wiserabbit08 ($1.70 in chips)
Seat 4: vdddddddddd ($5.01 in chips)
Seat 5: AAAAsen ($0.64 in chips)
HERO: posts small blind $0.01
Szalon001: posts big blind $0.02

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Qd Qc]
zebidee101 leaves the table
wiserabbit08: raises $0.06 to $0.08
vdddddddddd: folds
AAAAsen: folds
HERO: raises $0.16 to $0.24
Szalon001: folds
wiserabbit08: calls $0.16

*** FLOP *** [3h 2s Td]
HERO: bets $0.24
manul989 joins the table at seat #6
wiserabbit08: calls $0.24

*** TURN *** [3h 2s Td] 4 of clubs
HERO: checks
wiserabbit08: bets $1.22 and is all-in
HERO: folds

Edited by Plexo (Tuesday, January 21, 2014 @ 23:38 GMT)


     
  22-Jan-14, 01:24   #2
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awood88 
Joined: Feb '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 28 (M)
Posts: 1881
I'd find it very hard to fold. The pot is 0.98 before the turn and your opponent is capable of shoving many hands due to that check. If the player is reasonably good it's unlikely that he has a pair of 10s since A10 and K10 should fold to the strong pre flop raise but AK or AQ would call. They would expect a c-bet on that flop but not put you on any ten so when you check the turn it looks weak enough to shove against. I'd expect kings to re-raise pre or raise the flop to avoid kings coming after committing to the pot. I would definitely have called but you'll never know now what you should have done.

     
  22-Jan-14, 06:45   #3
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uno1Bomber 

Joined: May '13
Location: Russian Federation
Age: 28 (M)
Posts: 541
It's good fold if his AF below 1.5 , but If he's aggressive player then your fold is bad. IMO

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PS You check at turn was like the white flag for him.

Edited by uno1Bomber (Wednesday, January 22, 2014 @ 06:56 GMT)


     
  22-Jan-14, 10:11   #4
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Nastasha1982 
Joined: Oct '13
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 33 (M)
Posts: 175
I snap call but I would've fired again on the turn. You invited him to do this with your check.

There's more hands your ahead of than behind to in this spot. After rake you only need to win this pot approx. 38% of the time to make this a profitable call.

     
  22-Jan-14, 13:34   #5
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stanjonhson 
Joined: Jun '13
Location: Bulgaria
Age: 25 (M)
Posts: 44
Micro limmits. hahha. Easy push ALl in man. belive me they are splenty of donks who never fold and raise. I have a proof che my hands in boomplayer search stanjonhson u will see that people bluffing to much in micros. but even if u lose couple of dollars shouldnt crush down ur bankroll right ?

     
  22-Jan-14, 13:34   #6
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doubletop777 
Joined: Mar '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 47 (M)
Posts: 5547
I think it is almost impossible to fold this hand because more often than not you are winning so it is mathematically correct to call no matter if you are losing the hand or not. Its easy to say that here but when you are playing it can be totally different

     
  22-Jan-14, 13:39   #7
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Heskor 
Joined: May '13
Location: Mauritius
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Posts: 2659
Honestly I did not read the hand and could not comment on your play, it would be better that if people wanted help on hands, to put the hands in a better format, so people does not have a hard time to read between the lines. Just my two cents. There are lots of poker hand converter around.

     
  22-Jan-14, 13:40   #8
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HenryMinute 

Joined: Apr '12
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 67 (M)
Posts: 207
I have nothing to add regarding your actual question, except that I agree with doubletop777.

One thing that I couldn't help noticing though is that zebidee101 left the table. Must have been time for bed. Booooooing Smile

     
  22-Jan-14, 13:54   #9
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uno1Bomber 

Joined: May '13
Location: Russian Federation
Age: 28 (M)
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Posted by Heskor:
Honestly I did not read the hand and could not comment on your play, it would be better that if people wanted help on hands, to put the hands in a better format, so people does not have a hard time to read between the lines. Just my two cents. There are lots of poker hand converter around.

You're right man Thumbs Up
I think BRM should create their own hand converter like other sites.
Why they didn't do that till now? Confused

     
  22-Jan-14, 13:58   #10
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schmoyster 
Joined: Jul '09
Location: Russian Federation
Age: 47 (M)
Posts: 758
Instacall on micro limits.

     
  22-Jan-14, 14:35   #11
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Plexo 
Joined: Aug '09
Location: Chile
Age: 30 (M)
Posts: 1336
I think you are right guys.....after thinking a lot I believe his line is consistent with JJ.

Meanwhile I was playing I did not have to much time to think cause I was multitabling and the tables started to pop up one after other so I just saw that he had a nit range for PFR and dedcide to fold.

Next time I will call and let you know what villian had.
The only thing that make me to feel better is to think that the river would've been a Jack or Ace or King.

Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile

Gl all!

     
  22-Jan-14, 14:55   #12
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Leomi 

Joined: Mar '10
Location: Croatia
Age: 41 (M)
Posts: 19
66h lose passive 38/9
insta fold
set 4 or A5s
nice fold Plexo

     
  22-Jan-14, 16:15   #13
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Theapple 

Joined: Sep '13
Location: Bosnia and Herzegovina
Age: 29 (M)
Posts: 1552
id fold

in fact i fold even KK on KA6 flop now, because whenever i got a trip someone has higher one. or full house. or trip + nuts flush draw. or A straight vs my K straight. and so on. Or my AA runs into AK and ends up as a split twice out of 3 times because ofc theres a straight when i dont need one.

no seriously i had a horrible day lol, just managed to climb up to 4,9$ from 1$ on zoom table (my best ever! Big Smile) and lost it to guy who called my preflop reraise with 3Ko, he got runner runner straight so my trips were crap again :/

why do people call with K3o preflop, sure if it was just limping id call too, but to call 3bet with k3o, why. i hate this game

Evil Angry

     
  24-Jan-14, 07:56   #14
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damosk 
Joined: Feb '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 52 (M)
Posts: 4862
On this table at these small limits, with the odds with you then it's an all in push and cross ya fingers. You may as well cos everyone else is doing it so you have to give yourself a chance... Overall if you do it often enough you will win in the long term. Fold them all and you will lose everything!

     
  24-Jan-14, 16:16   #15
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ddblt1970 
Joined: Aug '13
Location: Czech Republic
Age: 21 (M)
Posts: 913
Passive people (this is one of them obviously) on microstakes play weak made hands check-call style.
They see they have a third pair to the board and they will call your value bets all the way to the river, same with draws (they don´t even like to lay down gutshots to big bets).

When they suddenly start to play extremely aggresive, they 95% of the time have it, especially on draw heavy boards.

This is probably a set of fours or even another set, which he wanted to slowplay, but the turn was a scary third card to the straight.
It can even be a slowplayed better overpair scared by the turn card.
Don´t think he will do this with a straight though, he would most likely call a turn bet and then raise/shove the river.

Of course I don´t know this exact player, but these are the usual tendencies of passive players.

     
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