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  23-Jan-14, 23:18   #1
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Samarietis 
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Hello everyone I just wanted to tell something about my january expierence , as it have been pretty bad i just want to ask your thoughs and maybe someone can tell me why do i get so unlucky ...
So here is some of the latest BOOM's at Pokerstars - http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/7046925_54F3... , http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/7063490_B520... , http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/6957411_4B1F... , http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/7063420_C576... , http://www.boomplayer.com/lv/poker-hands/Boom/7076897_3... . I just don't get these ones , bad calls , ugly flops and all kind of stuff made me roll down to 22 $ from 90 $ only at this month , played mostly 0.50 cent sit and goe's and some tournaments , but mostly playing at buy ins at 0.50 cents...

I don't really think that i am a bad player or the best one , i would say i am avarage player who plays for fun , but i can't say that i have had fun this month.
P.S I hope i haven't done anything bad by making this topic or oversteped any rules of bankroll ...

Edited by Samarietis (Thursday, January 23, 2014 @ 23:25 GMT)


     
  24-Jan-14, 00:30   #2
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zeroster 

Joined: May '11
Location: United Kingdom
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Ok bad suckouts BUT.

First hand: What the hell are you thinking calling that pre-flop re-raise with K8?

Second hand: Yeah fair enough two pair with your sack shoving is ok but with the nut flush draw and his stack there was no way he was going to fold, Unlucky.

Third hand: Raising from middle position with A,8 is questionable but to then check raise all in with nothing but ace high is foolhardy.

Fourth hand: Holding pocket threes with four limpers behind is, in my opinion, not a position for a 7.5X raise!! especially with four more players to act. Why not just flat call and try and hit a set. If you miss it's an easy and inexpensive fold.

Fifth hand: Genuine bad beat, nothing you could really do.


The thing is there's nothing you can do about your opponents and bad luck, dwelling on bad luck is just counter productive. It's infinitely more useful to look hard at your play which at the moment is less than optimal.


     
  24-Jan-14, 00:45   #3
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hemuli 
Joined: Feb '09
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I would have honestly played everyhand differently right from the preflop except your last hand (even then I might push all in with them, depending ur opponent). And If u have 10BB just push or fold...
U had the best position to just limp with the 33 ,and then on the flop u push all in in a 4way or was it even a 5way with that... Ok u had big fishes against you but pretty sure 95% of the time in this same situations u are beat

     
  24-Jan-14, 01:00   #4
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bowie1984 

Joined: Apr '12
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Posted by hemuli:
U had the best position to just limp with the 33 ,and then on the flop u push all in in a 4way or was it even a 5way with that... Ok u had big fishes against you but pretty sure 95% of the time in this same situations u are beat


I think he thought at least two of them gonna fold if he raising half the pot preflop (if utg and utg+1 openlimp i wouldnt raise on them with 33, but thats just me of course) and after that - no set just overcards and barely any outs on flop after all why didnt gave himself a free card is beyond me.
Its a 5way pot, at least 2 guys were ahead of him I think (yes the caller just got lucky with the river but thats not the point) - if he wanted to be this set/straight mining successful he should've been less agressive I guess.

Well since Its determined here that I only gave bad advices for everybody it doesnt matter what i think or what would i do.

     
  24-Jan-14, 05:11   #5
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
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Well you didnt have fun, but I had so much fun seeing that 33 hand Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile

     
  24-Jan-14, 17:24   #6
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Nastasha1982 
Joined: Oct '13
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 33 (M)
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Hand 1.

Don't like the pre-flop call. Unlucky on the flop although you know you're likely behind. You could've shoved as a chance to win without hitting. My equity calculator isn't working to see the %'s vs his range here.

Hand 2.

Unlucky.

Hand 3

Unlucky as played but just open shove this.

Hand 4

Huh. You had 33 right?

Hand 5

Unlucky.


Can we see all the hands where you got lucky?

As a side point, you're going to experience horrid variance in 360 turbo's.

     
  24-Jan-14, 17:43   #7
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BeMyATMplz 
Joined: Feb '11
Location: Germany
Age: 23 (M)
Posts: 1854
I'd advise you to spend the $22 you have left in coaching instead of trying to rebuild it up.
No offence,but it's the truth. A one month subscription or a 1 hour coaching session with a good lowstakes winner can tremendously increase your level of skill,based on the few misplayed hands you posted already.
There is a coaching site I can recommend you,I can't post the full name I think but it starts with "grinder",it's not specially good but it's cheap ($10/month for a micro subscription) and should improve your skill level alot.
That would leave you with $12 left in your account,enough to grind the $0.10 360 mans to grind back up (with good volume I'd find it possible to earn $100 within a month at these,plus you can always move up once BR allows you to again).

Really a 140BI downswing is very,very uncommon at these stakes,even in these relativly high-variance games,and the hands you posted show it's not just runbad.

gl

     
  24-Jan-14, 18:29   #8
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Friday13Pol 
Joined: Nov '09
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yeah i notice that too, too many bad deals of cards its not random that for sure

     
  24-Jan-14, 20:10   #9
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Weenie 
Joined: Aug '12
Location: Slovakia
Age: 29 (M)
Posts: 680
I have to say you are quite fish Big Smile No offense. everything was explained above my comment so read it and try to take something from it.

     
  25-Jan-14, 00:15   #10
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fcumred 

Joined: Apr '08
Location: United Kingdom
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I can tell you precisely why you lost so many hands like that.

Its because you are an awful player.

K 8 and you call a 4k re-raise.. Then shove all in on a flush draw.

33 and you raise into 4 limpers, then go all in when you cannot beat a single thing on the board let alone any other pocket pair.

Its not pokerstars that is the problem, its not the other players. Its you.. You honestly suck at poker...

     
  25-Jan-14, 14:45   #11
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Samarietis 
Joined: Feb '12
Location: Latvia
Age: 23 (M)
Posts: 163
Posted by Samarietis:
Hello everyone I just wanted to tell something about my january expierence , as it have been pretty bad i just want to ask your thoughs and maybe someone can tell me why do i get so unlucky ...
So here is some of the latest BOOM's at Pokerstars - http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/7046925_54F3... , http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/7063490_B520... , http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/6957411_4B1F... , http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/7063420_C576... , http://www.boomplayer.com/lv/poker-hands/Boom/7076897_3... . I just don't get these ones , bad calls , ugly flops and all kind of stuff made me roll down to 22 $ from 90 $ only at this month , played mostly 0.50 cent sit and goe's and some tournaments , but mostly playing at buy ins at 0.50 cents...

I don't really think that i am a bad player or the best one , i would say i am avarage player who plays for fun , but i can't say that i have had fun this month.
P.S I hope i haven't done anything bad by making this topic or oversteped any rules of bankroll ...
Edit : http://www.boomplayer.com/lv/poker-hands/Boom/7101991_5... , http://www.boomplayer.com/lv/poker-hands/Boom/7102122_3...


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zeroster , Okey maybe i don't play like a pro or even not better then avarege player , but how can i avoid this type of game by being ahead of all players at flop and end up loosing all ... That's the question what i would like to hear a answer ...

hemuli , Every player plays hes own game so i will keep playing my type of game ...

doomdy , Atleast it was fun for you Smile

Nastasha1982 , Well but look at that from a differnet way , how could he go all in on a flop where he couldn't beat anything besides a bluff , but ended up with a straight ?

BeMyATMplz , if i would like to do that , i should spend a lot of time to do that , but i don't really have so much time to do that , as i am doing other things , less time for poker , more time for life ))

Weenie , Well then look at the new videos and call me a fish again ))

fcumred , Well if you think that i am a awful player , i guess we are not going to talk anymore , as people should avoid bad players ))

Edited by Samarietis (Saturday, January 25, 2014 @ 14:56 GMT)


     
  25-Jan-14, 15:22   #12
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hemuli 
Joined: Feb '09
Location: Finland
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If that is the way u play and u dont want to learn then dont come here and say u are "running" bad because u are "playing" bad... With that game no wonder u drop from 100d to 20d... Continue and u will be at 0.. Instead of playing poker learn and u will get back to 100 Smile And there is many different way to play u just chose a way that is -EV try to find a way that is +EV Smile no hard feeling, try just to take this as a help! For sure I dont know a lot but I know few things

     
  25-Jan-14, 15:43   #13
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Samarietis 
Joined: Feb '12
Location: Latvia
Age: 23 (M)
Posts: 163
No no no , you didn't understand me , i though that you are offering me to play more like you , well or something like that , thats why i sad no , as it's better to play my game then mess it all with other players game's ... I am not refusing to learn something it's a part of the game , you have to learn all the time to be the best , i know that ))

     
  25-Jan-14, 15:44   #14
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Weenie 
Joined: Aug '12
Location: Slovakia
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you are just overplaying mediocre hands.

That 77 from UTG should be fold preflop. It can looks too tight for you, but especially in this type of tournament you have to be tight. 20-25 BBs stack is very tricky, its too early to shove preflop, but after raise and eventual cbet you can loose big portion of chips. And here after donkbet on flop you hadnt too many choices...

That KK hand. You did good job preflop and on flop. But after 3 players called your raise on flop, you should switch to passive play (check-call) on turn and if somebody bets big on river you should fold (that would be pretty obvious for you that paired 10 changed everything). You have to realise that you had 4 opponents on flop, your KK can get cracked VERY easy against 4 players.

     
  25-Jan-14, 15:49   #15
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Samarietis 
Joined: Feb '12
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Weenie , it seems that you offer me to be more passive , but i have been passive and i realised , that the way of beeing passive , makes you go up and down up and down and in the end you are at the same amount of money ...

     
  25-Jan-14, 16:04   #16
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vsemoje 
Joined: Feb '13
Location: Slovenia
Age: 34 (M)
Posts: 518
@samarietis
- like others said before u play way too much hands that get u into trouble
- weenie didnt say u play pasive he said play smart
- winning poker is tight and agressive
- and calling 3bets with mediocre hand is very bad, players on micros almost never bluff with 3bets preflop

     
  25-Jan-14, 16:09   #17
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Weenie 
Joined: Aug '12
Location: Slovakia
Age: 29 (M)
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You dont have to be passive overally, but there are situations where to stay aggresive is road to hell Smile Even the most aggresive players know when to slow down. The good thing about being aggresive is that you can push your opponent to fold, even if you dont have the best hand or they have just mediocre hand.

But you have to realise that you play freerolls and micros, that means you are facing mostly bad players, call stations. So if you are pushing them allin, they will often call you on flop or turn with their draw or weaker pair, So if you have hands like that (1 pair, 2 pairs..) they get lucky pretty often... And even you were better when you pushed allin in those situations, there was huge chance that you were already beaten.

But the biggest mistake in your game seems to be your range. I bet you play too many hands.

Edited by Weenie (Saturday, January 25, 2014 @ 16:20 GMT)


     
  25-Jan-14, 16:15   #18
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bowie1984 

Joined: Apr '12
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Posted by Samarietis:
Weenie , it seems that you offer me to be more passive , but i have been passive and i realised , that the way of beeing passive , makes you go up and down up and down and in the end you are at the same amount of money ...


Nope, he didnt advise you to be literary "passive" he only said think twice before you bet and try to make a better read on your opponents hands/range.
And my advice that in the future dont try to keep a thread alive by posting hands from freerolls, since it doesnt mean anything - players most of the time not taking those seriously so no relevant consequence can be really made from hands dealt out on freerolls.

     
  25-Jan-14, 16:52   #19
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fcumred 

Joined: Apr '08
Location: United Kingdom
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Posted by Samarietis:
Weenie , it seems that you offer me to be more passive , but i have been passive and i realised , that the way of beeing passive , makes you go up and down up and down and in the end you are at the same amount of money ...


Well playing like you do there won't be any ups, it will all be down, down, down until you have nothing left.

If you want to win at poker you need to change how you play. If you don't change, you won't win.


     
  25-Jan-14, 19:20   #20
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hemuli 
Joined: Feb '09
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U are playing passive? U are playing like mega aggressive and thats nicely said of me.. (I just cant get out of my head the 33 hand) U must understand that u are playing wrong I am not saying my way is the only way but your way maked me feel that u are playing a freeroll and u want it to finish and QUICKLY

And when im playing I make a lot of mistakes also, but everytime I try to learn from them, even when somebody gets lucky I try to think could I have played it other way.. U were just thinking that the other one was lucky when in fact it was a huge mistake

     
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