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  4-Apr-14, 11:34   #1
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IceQueenAce 
Joined: Feb '13
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So I come to the great morale dilemma of my age!

I never bet on the Grand National, I don't agree with it, too many horses die.

But on the other hand, I do have a shed load of offers/freerolls/enhanced bets in my inbox!

Thoughts?

     
  4-Apr-14, 11:45   #2
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doubletop777 
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I think to say that too many horses die in the Grand National is wrong. The racecourse as made so many modifications to the course that it as reduced this once great race to just another normal saturday raceday. Good luck to whatever you bet on{i think The Package will run well at about 25/1}

     
  4-Apr-14, 11:52   #3
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IceQueenAce 
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I don't bet on any horse racing as a rule.
Any 'sport' in which an animal dies for human entertainment isn't sport in my eyes.

     
  4-Apr-14, 12:22   #4
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teddybears73 
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Posted by IceQueenAce:
I don't bet on any horse racing as a rule.
Any 'sport' in which an animal dies for human entertainment isn't sport in my eyes.


Humans die playing sports albeit not as much,but nevertheless they die.

     
  4-Apr-14, 12:35   #5
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IceQueenAce 
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The humans get a choice Tongue

     
  4-Apr-14, 12:41   #6
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teddybears73 
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aye,but i remember some of my horses ( when i used to bet ) that either refused to race or didn't want to jump the fences,so seems to me so do they. Smile

     
  4-Apr-14, 14:59   #7
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Heskor 
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Horse racing can be a mugged games because there are too much horses everyday and lots of races , so if you are a gambler you will probably chase loses a lot. When there are just one race left something like that i did that and busted one roll like that.

Anyway horse racing I love going to the tracks , tomorrow horse racing in my country thinking of playing some horses. So wish me luck and hope you guys have fun with the horse racing too. Cheers peace out Heskor!

     
  4-Apr-14, 16:45   #8
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Drawacard 

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A lot of people are against horse racing.... but horses race naturally in the wild - they love it. If you have a field will a load of horses in it then it is not uncommon for them to line them selves up and start racing across the field at full tilt! My ex mother in law thought the same until one day she saw horses doing this in a field by their own design.

I am an animal lover and can't abide animal cruelty, but some things aren't as bad as they seem. Some horses die in racing - I do not like that, but what would they be doing in the wilds (are there any wilds for them to roam in and would they really be better off there anyway?) - I think they get top treatment with regards to being fed, massaged, brushed washed, looked after and sheltered.... sounds like a nice life! lol I'd be a race horse... Big Smile especially if I got to be put out to stud at the end of it all too! Blink

I haven't looked at the national this year - I sometimes do when it comes round and get into sweepstakes. I don't do horses at all really.

     
  4-Apr-14, 17:14   #9
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marqis 

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Posted by IceQueenAce:
Thoughts?

Whether it's right or wrong is a separate issue. But given that you believe it's wrong, I'd value consistency between what you believe, and what you do, over any potential gains you'd get from those free offers.
At the very least you'd be adding to the problem by participating.

As for cruelty to animals... The other day I enjoyed a shrimp sandwich, and it occurred to me that close to 100 animals died for my enjoyment. Maybe I should switch to whale-meat sandwiches, I could eat a lifetime of sandwiches, and only one animal dies for it...

     
  4-Apr-14, 18:14   #10
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Mober 
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Yea i know what you mean. Never liked that sport.
At some point i had an argument in the past with someone claiming
that the jockey was superb.
If it wasnt the poor horse to run like hell......

Depends how strong your feelings are about this matter.
No need to say of course that such actions keep that "sport" running Smile

     
  4-Apr-14, 18:47   #11
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Drawacard 

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Posted by marqis:
.. The other day I enjoyed a shrimp sandwich, and it occurred to me that close to 100 animals died for my enjoyment. .


lol - Marqis - I would argue that it was for your sustenance rather than your enjoyment. I always think the same thing though!! I love a prawn sandwich.... but I always think that about 30 lives have gone into making it! I never loose too much sleep over it though.


Posted by IceQueenAce:

Thoughts?


Also, lol - IceQueen... I'm really sorry but couldn't help wondering what this thread was going to be about when I first read the title.. Morals vs Money... Blink I was thinking ' get your pretty little IceQueenAss over here this weekend and I'll test your morals out for you'.. lol Blink

GL in the race. Dollar Dollar Dollar

     
  4-Apr-14, 18:56   #12
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bowie1984 

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I stopped b.etting on horses when I saw how truly rigged that sport in real life. I mean you always get feedback from others, that you would consider while you gamble.
You know that in the NBA the referees are in the pockets of Vegas or you know that your local soccer players can be bought off 4 sh*ts and giggles and you shouldnt even start wagering anything where Don King is involved... The list goes on and on.
But I remained skeptical about horse racing cuz its one long adrenaline rush, and I was always awed by horses, they are truly spectacular animals. Until one day I saw with my own eyes how the jockeys held back their horses from one race to another and after that me and my buddies got sh*tfaced and did say goodbye to this sport forever.
Never looked back since then.

     
  4-Apr-14, 19:31   #13
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Macubaas 
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It's really your personal choice, every sport out there is sustained by the people that watch it and also bet on it...

If you fo not agree with animal races then simply don't bet, i also presume you have very few experience with them.

     
  4-Apr-14, 20:11   #14
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ddblt1970 
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If you don´t like that, don´t bet on it.

By betting you support the "sport" that you are against.

     
  4-Apr-14, 20:12   #15
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IceQueenAce 
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Lots to think about.

I guess though, the question I ask is, 'should I give up my beliefs to get a 100% increase in my BR' Tongue

     
  4-Apr-14, 23:01   #16
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teddybears73 
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Posted by Drawacard:
Morals vs Money... Blink I was thinking ' get your pretty little IceQueenAss over here this weekend and I'll test your morals out for you'.. lol Blink

GL in the race. Dollar Dollar Dollar


lol


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Posted by teddybears73:
Posted by Drawacard:
Morals vs Money... Blink I was thinking ' get your pretty little IceQueenAss over here this weekend and I'll test your morals out for you'.. lol Blink

GL in the race. Dollar Dollar Dollar


lol bet she's on her way now,

Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile

     
  4-Apr-14, 23:28   #17
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Drawacard 

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Posted by IceQueenAce:
So I come...........................
......blah blagh blah..............
....................... in my inbox!

Thoughts?


lol - yea - sorry IQA, hope I didn't offend or scare you, just having a laugh. Blink Big Smile Big Smile

     
  5-Apr-14, 16:23   #18
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Shooshly 
Joined: May '12
Location: Slovenia
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From an economic/antropologists jurnalists point of view:

Morals are determined by the masses. I might find it normal to pee on trees, but because most don't find it appetising it might land me in jail or with a fine.

So, if people bet on it, and it's legal, why the hell not ... I mean, it's quite the same with the stock market, some people use it to gain additional founds for their company, others (Enron for example) use it to earn a s**t load of money ... On the other hand, if they're smart enough to trick every one else, don't they deserve it?

It's kinda like milking a donkey at poker ... amoral? Maybe. Profitable? Shurley.

Personally, I'd do almost anything to help my family survive and not worry about money or the lack off. So yeah, in the UK I'd kill a person for a million. For less? Not really. Though somebody that's been hungry for a week would do it for 10,000.

In the end, it depends on your point of view, but my inmput is, if it's bettable, it's not "amoral" Tongue

     
  5-Apr-14, 18:33   #19
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Mober 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Greece
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I think i know what you mean by saying milking a donkey. Smile
Have you ever seen how much profitable can be, selling
donkey's milk? You will be amazed.
First time i heard about it, i thought they were just messing with me,
till i took some time researching it.

     
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