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  11-Jun-14, 16:19   #1
Applying so called 'skill' running bad, software to track beginners? 0 
AceMilo 
Joined: Aug '13
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on PartyPoker, I've ran amazingly bad even when using player reads, correct push/fold ranges and playing tight, gradually getting more aggressive and fell victim to many suckout 9/10 times. Now, I went on pokerprolabs and found that most of these players on the 'fishiest' website out there are all merciless grinders who have played thousands of games and they are all regs. There aren't any fish anymore. Is there any software I can use that tracks fish? It's the only way you can again an edge, especially in sit and gos where your shallow stacked and have to run good to start off with when you have a small br or you get chopped up by blinds or 6 10 off. ABC TAG poker doesn't work anymore, regardless of the strategy. Aww crap!

Edited by AceMilo (Wednesday, June 11, 2014 @ 16:21 GMT)


     
  11-Jun-14, 16:56   #2
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BeMyATMplz 
Joined: Feb '11
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Posted by AceMilo:
on PartyPoker, I've ran amazingly bad even when using player reads, correct push/fold ranges and playing tight, gradually getting more aggressive and fell victim to many suckout 9/10 times. Now, I went on pokerprolabs and found that most of these players on the 'fishiest' website out there are all merciless grinders who have played thousands of games and they are all regs. There aren't any fish anymore. Is there any software I can use that tracks fish? It's the only way you can again an edge, especially in sit and gos where your shallow stacked and have to run good to start off with when you have a small br or you get chopped up by blinds or 6 10 off. ABC TAG poker doesn't work anymore, regardless of the strategy. Aww crap!


Partypoker isn't the fishiest website, I have no clue where you have that information from.
What you describe is totally standard and happens to every grinder now and then. The more volume you play the faster you overcome these phases (timewise), but from my own expirience I can tell you it can sometimes take several hundred games.

There isn't software to track fish (in SNGs at least, I think for cashgames there's smething called "fishfinder" Blink, but what I do on pokerstars (not sure if it's possible on partypoker too) is to color-note all regs.
That way I can easily see in the lobby how many regs have already registered for a specific SNG. If a SNG has like two thirds or regs in it then I wouldn't consider it worth registering. Even if I believe I have an edge over most regs, having a regs replacing spots where normally fish would be has tremendous impact on the winrate, and I wouldn't wanna reg games with 2-3% ROI expectation (not because of profit, but because if you play many games where your edge is thin your variance becomes bigger).

ABC-TAG poker does still work nowdays, but it's pretty outdated. It's enough to still be a winning player up to like $10 SNGs, but the winrate will be much smaller than it used to be and thus swings become enormous.
There are still many regs playing TAG in my games, ranging from 11/9 to about 14/12 stats on the HUD. Those players are easily exploitable for me, because there are a lot of spots where you can minraise any-2 and be profitable because these players just fold away so much, making it easy to just pick up the blinds.

However, there are also regs nowdays (even at lowstakes, starting midstakes it's totally the norm nowdays) that play a looser style and that also shows in the winrate.
I also used to play 14/12 until I found a coach that taught me how to adapt in todays games. I'm playing 21/19 nowdays and my ROI had been going up by a few % after having started to loosen up.

I don't want to tell you to just straight- get looser now, because it's very important to understand WHY we do WHAT in WHICH specific spot, but just to explain you why this happens (and it will probably get even worse sooner or later).

     
  11-Jun-14, 17:06   #3
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marqis 

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Usually HEM2 does a good job of showing the ranges of your opponents, which is useful in deciding how to play them. This goes for fish, as well as regs.

Personally, though, I prefer the hardware solution for tracking fish; a mirror... But this may not work as well for you. Blink I always assume that I'm the fish, until I have reason to think otherwise...

     
  11-Jun-14, 17:30   #4
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Heskor 
Joined: May '13
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Hmm if you looking for poker software go for the holdem manager or poker tracker both are very good and they huds that will allow you to see live stats about the players on the table and also you can use the software offline to check what the player style of play etc. Go to pokerstars TAG works there and party poker sucks. Be more aggressive and be selective where to push!

     
  11-Jun-14, 17:41   #5
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BeMyATMplz 
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Guys he's not looking for HUD stats Aww crap! he's looking for detecting fish BEFORE he plays a game

     
  11-Jun-14, 19:04   #6
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ddblt1970 
Joined: Aug '13
Location: Czech Republic
Age: 21 (M)
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Use a site, that tracks people´s winnings. (not sure if I can post here the names)

This way you know who are the losing players and you can register to tournaments where they play.
(or maybe better thing is to use this to identify the winning players and avoid registering in same tourneys)

     
  11-Jun-14, 20:56   #7
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av1966 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Portugal
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You want what everybody wants a full prove system that make you winl all the time
You can use lots programs to help you escaping the big winners but they will not play for you and they will not break a slump
The best way is get back to basics and keep on trying

     
  12-Jun-14, 07:38   #8
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uno1Bomber 

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Posted by BeMyATMplz:
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.... but what I do on pokerstars (not sure if it's possible on partypoker too) is to color-note all regs.
...

I use both HUD and notes, but on partypoker notes without a color, so you should click and read them as text. Sad Some people use long notes, but I usually just mark them as TAG, Dog(LAG), Donkey, Mouse, Rock, Elephant, or Fish. Sometimes I use additional info (ex.: tricky fish) Smile
HUD is much better than notes, but I can read notes everywhere. Even if I play not from my PC, where I have my HUD and database.

     
  12-Jun-14, 19:09   #9
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HenryMinute 

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Don't know about Tracker but HEM2 has a 'cloud' option so you can use it everywhere on any device.

     
  12-Jun-14, 19:22   #10
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uno1Bomber 

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HEM2 is too big for me. I don't need all that features.
I use the Holdem Indicator. It shows ODDs and also has HUD.
This is how it look like

(it's not my screenshot)

     
  12-Jun-14, 21:33   #11
 
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  12-Jun-14, 22:12   #12
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BeMyATMplz 
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Posted by uno1Bomber:
HEM2 is too big for me. I don't need all that features.
I use the Holdem Indicator. It shows ODDs and also has HUD.
This is how it look like

(it's not my screenshot)


Looks like lots of useless informations (bottom part of screen is totally unnecessary) while there are some valuable informations missing (cbet %, fold to cbet % etc.).
Also, I don't think this is a good programm when playing many tables..

     
  13-Jun-14, 06:10   #13
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Macubaas 
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HEM still is in my opinion the best poker HUD out there...

Holdem Indicator is a lite version of an advanced HUD like HEM or PT is but i think for those that do not play at many tables at once is pretty good.

The stats offered by HUD software is accurate but sometimes regs change their play over time and you get variation in their play.

     
  13-Jun-14, 10:18   #14
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jessthehuman 

Joined: Apr '09
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Posted by BeMyATMplz:
There isn't software to track fish (in SNGs at least, I think for cashgames there's smething called "fishfinder" Blink, but what I do on pokerstars (not sure if it's possible on partypoker too) is to color-note all regs.


I thought Sharkscope has this feature if you pay for it?? Can't you pay for SS and it actively tracks live SNG tables and shows you how many FISH/SHARKS have joined already?

I know the USED to offer this service years ago..

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Yeah, SS offer this for $9/Mth. But only Stars & FTP are supported.

     
  13-Jun-14, 10:48   #15
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uno1Bomber 

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Posted by BeMyATMplz:
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Looks like lots of useless informations (bottom part of screen is totally unnecessary) while there are some valuable informations missing (cbet %, fold to cbet % etc.).
Also, I don't think this is a good programm when playing many tables..

You can change settings for cbet%, fold to cbet% etc.

Also you can configure some presets

And the bottom part is the best part of this programm. It's calculator. When you play at cash tables (especially FL holdem) you don't even need to think any more (well, actually you should think) Smile You just look at Pot ODDs vs Win ODDs graph + opponent's stats and making the right decision most of the time.
I'm so used to it that I feel uncomfortable without it.

Edited by uno1Bomber (Friday, June 13, 2014 @ 10:54 GMT)


     
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