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  18-Dec-14, 23:34   #1
Humility... +3 
zeroster 

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...To take advise from someone who is, clearly, a more successful player than you, but has a somewhat rough approach.

I believe this this is actually a key poker skill. Sometimes ego needs to be set aside. Agree or disagree?

Edited by zeroster (Thursday, December 18, 2014 @ 23:36 GMT)


     
  18-Dec-14, 23:54   #2
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av1966 
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I tottally agree
Ego can be a damage to the poker playing because when you feel a super player the game putts you back on the real Aww crap! Aww crap!

Humility can save you from bad plays but you got to have some confidence on your skills

The balence between both is the key to sucess Big Smile Big Smile

Don´t forget be happy and enjoy life

     
  19-Dec-14, 00:10   #3
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xgcsnippy 

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Ill enjoy life once finances are in order and the women are flocking off of me again!

Playing poker eliminates me from everyday life so I love it except when I am tilting downward!

it does make me happy, and yes we all tend to get an ego when on a roll! I can get it and think I cant be stopped...until I hit a sunday million final table then I guess I cant get too much of an ego Agree

     
  19-Dec-14, 00:11   #4
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zeroster 

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Yep the point I'm trying to make is that good advise is good advise and should never be disregarded. The manner in which it is offered up is immaterial.

Guess this applies to life in general, not just poker.

     
  19-Dec-14, 01:05   #5
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marqis 

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Posted by zeroster:
...To take advise from someone who is, clearly, a more successful player than you, but has a somewhat rough approach.

If only I could muster up the humility to take your advice on humility.
Ah well... Blink

     
  19-Dec-14, 01:07   #6
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zeroster 

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If only I could muster up the humility to take your advice on humility.
Ah well... Blink


You're playing the meta game with me?
Big Smile

     
  19-Dec-14, 01:18   #7
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bowie1984 

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Disagree. The world's worst people going to have some insight and/or useful things to say (about anything), but it doesn't mean that we should follow them blindy 'cuz on that one subject they might have something credible to say.
Couldn't care less about pride or ego, but if somebody acts like a total a-hole then I will treat him/her like one - including not taking up his s**t even when he/her is onto something.

Good advice become good when you take that ordinary advice and turn into it. So it's really up to you and you probably won't know it up until you go through it. Good advice in bad hands useful to nobody. And I think the same about 'good' advices from a-holes.

No Warren Buffets or Phil Iveys wandering around this forum, so you shouldn't take all advices here with open arms. At least that's my advice. Blink

     
  19-Dec-14, 01:23   #8
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marqis 

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Posted by zeroster:

If only I could muster up the humility to take your advice on humility.
Ah well... Blink


You're playing the meta game with me?
Big Smile

Hehe... Had to google the term...
I have the distinct feeling it would be unwise for me to enter into a meta game with you. Of course you'll interpret this as another meta game move, unless you already considered that I've taken this into account...
Hmmm... I think my original "Ah well..." should stand.

     
  19-Dec-14, 01:30   #9
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zeroster 

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Posted by marqis:
Posted by zeroster:

If only I could muster up the humility to take your advice on humility.
Ah well... Blink


You're playing the meta game with me?
Big Smile

Hehe... Had to google the term...
I have the distinct feeling it would be unwise for me to enter into a meta game with you. Of course you'll interpret this as another meta game move, unless you already considered that I've taken this into account...
Hmmm... I think my original "Ah well..." should stand.

"ah well" is probably the most meta reply. Big Smile

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Posted by bowie1984:

Couldn't care less about pride or ego, but if somebody acts like a total a-hole then I will treat him/her like one


Agreed but that doesn't mean I wont take the advice on board. ( I my later dismiss it)

This is the point I'm trying to make. Just because the advice is offered in a way you you don't like like it doesn't necessarily make it bad advice.

Don't dismiss it because you think the person is an a-hole. What you think about him is irrelevant. All advice should be judged on it's own merits, not on your opinion of the person offering it. This applies to life in general, not just poker.

Edited by zeroster (Friday, December 19, 2014 @ 01:49 GMT)


     
  19-Dec-14, 01:53   #10
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uno1Bomber 

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I agree, but sometimes I can't control myself.

     
  19-Dec-14, 02:12   #11
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41ig30 

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I agree also
I know i am a "shitty " player sometimes and some advice is good from a better player
(except when i am on tilt....then is just F%*k you, F%*k you, F%*k you too, F%*k you especially) Big Smile Big Smile

     
  19-Dec-14, 02:13   #12
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Frobert 
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Ambition it's what you need. I can't see myself asking someone for advices for how to manage my "world". I can't put myself on the second place either. I just can't take any advices.

I'd rather pay and wait to learn myself from books and anywhere else.

Gl.

     
  19-Dec-14, 02:15   #13
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zeroster 

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Posted by 41ig30:
I agree also
I know i am a "shitty " player sometimes and some advice is good from a better player
(except when i am on tilt....then is just F%*k you, F%*k you, F%*k you too, F%*k you especially) Big Smile Big Smile


And that's what kindda what happens here isn't it. People come here on tilt posting their bad beats and are totally unwilling to accept advice?

     
  19-Dec-14, 02:20   #14
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41ig30 

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Not from my behalf(i hope)
at least i dont remember refusing to take advice here
if i did i am sorry and i want to apologize to whoever i have denied any advice Worship Worship Worship

     
  19-Dec-14, 02:21   #15
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zeroster 

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I'm not the best player here, not by a long way, but I'm n not all that bad either. And sometimes I have relevant advice to offer but often I'm dissuaded from offering it because i suspect someone is on tilt and would rather just get into an argument with me.

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Posted by 41ig30:
Not from my behalf(i hope)
at least i dont remember refusing to take advice here
if i did i am sorry and i want to apologize to whoever i have denied any advice Worship Worship Worship


Nothing wrong with refusing to take advice. What I have a problem with is people becoming argumentative when advice is offered. When someone has offered to take their time to offer it I think the least one can do is is to take it into consideration.

Shouting down the person offering advice is just damn rude IMO.

Not talking about you 41ig30, just bouncing off your comment.

Edited by zeroster (Friday, December 19, 2014 @ 02:25 GMT)


     
  19-Dec-14, 02:56   #16
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pinotte 
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I agree that shouting down a person offering advice is rude. However sometime the manner the advice is given does not look like an advice but look more a very bad comment on your play.

I am not a good poker player but if someone wants to help me with my play i will take it if it comes like help. Thumbs Up Thumbs Up Thumbs Up

     
  19-Dec-14, 08:46   #17
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Skpmorita 
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take every advise and use your brain to select the ones that can actually help you improve your game

i once posted a hand which i had AA and after raise reraise , i decided to make big 3 bet all-in and got 2 callers AK and QQ
i won a nice pot , but there is somebody here actually said you shouldnt have pushed AA (not because i wont get action , but for the reason i could have lost )

Edited by Skpmorita (Friday, December 19, 2014 @ 09:34 GMT)


     
  19-Dec-14, 10:22   #18
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pochui 

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i really would want to take advice from a clearly better player than me, but the problem is that.... i don't know of such players existence. guess i am the best and i have to take advice from mirror then.
oh the tough life of being the best ever and ever... humility runs in my blood

     
  19-Dec-14, 12:53   #19
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arsenej1 

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Posted by Skpmorita:
take every advise and use your brain to select the ones that can actually help you improve your game

i once posted a hand which i had AA and after raise reraise , i decided to make big 3 bet all-in and got 2 callers AK and QQ
i won a nice pot , but there is somebody here actually said you shouldnt have pushed AA (not because i wont get action , but for the reason i could have lost )


Meh i woulda pushed aa aginst a raise and a reraise.its obvously not great to go allin with 2 callers but atleast u know your entering the pot ahead and then u just gotta hope it holds.if i lose then i lose.

     
  19-Dec-14, 18:04   #20
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Mober 
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That depends. If i dont like the person that gives the advice, i just dont care.
I dont even care of listening in general at that point, not taking an advice and
following it.
But when it comes to poker i can be less strict in my judgement.

     
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