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  5-Jan-15, 16:46   #1
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blackpete 
Joined: Jun '09
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what is good winrate in LHE 0.02/0.04?

     
  5-Jan-15, 16:55   #2
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Heskor 
Joined: May '13
Location: Mauritius
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Hmm no idea on limit holdem and fixed games, but for holdem i know the good win rates for the Nl2 where i play, if you play 9 max 6-8bb per 100 is a good one if you play 6 max it is a bit more higher but there is variance if you do not play and the win rates is like 10-12bb if done correctly anyway good luck mate on your poker journey hope to see you succeed and make some money on poker. Cheer peace out mate and have fun!

     
  5-Jan-15, 18:03   #3
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BeMyATMplz 
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What Heskor wrote sounds about right. Though I'd think on fullring higher winrates can be achieved than on 6 max at that pirticular level. You will be able to squeeze out value on fullring tables so much because there are loads of family pots.
This all only if you are playing reasonable though.
On 0.05/0.10 I'm sure your winrate will already start to shrink, because there are alreay some regulars playing that stake.

     
  5-Jan-15, 18:37   #4
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marqis 

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My overall winrate on 6-max NL4 is about 37.3 bb/100 (played 40762 hands), but over the last 10000 hands it's about 60 bb/100.

I recently read an article that made a breakdown, looks like I might be beating that by some margin, but I'm only single tabling (copied from article):
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Top win rates possible for elite players who play 1-8 tables.

NL2: 40bb/100
NL5: 26bb/100
NL10: 18bb/100
NL25: 13bb/100
NL50: 11bb/100
NL100: 9bb/100

Top win rates possible for elite players who play 9-17 tables.

NL2: 30bb/100
NL5: 17bb/100
NL10: 12bb/100
NL25: 8bb/100
NL50: 6bb/100
NL100: 4bb/100

Top win rates possible for elite players who play 18+ tables.

NL2: 20bb/100
NL5: 12bb/100
NL10: 8bb/100
NL25: 6bb/100
NL50: 4bb/100
NL100: 3bb/100

Average win rates for 1-8 tables.

NL2: 10bb/100
NL5: 6bb/100
NL10: 4bb/100
NL25: 3bb/100
NL50: 2bb/100
NL100: 2bb/100

Average win rates for 9-17 tables.

NL2: 6bb/100
NL5: 4bb/100
NL10: 3bb/100
NL25: 2bb/100
NL50: 1bb/100
NL100: 1bb/100

Average win rates for 18+ tables.

NL2: 4bb/100
NL5: 2bb/100
NL10: 2bb/100
NL25: 1bb/100
NL50: 0.5bb/100
NL100: 0.5bb/100

     
  5-Jan-15, 21:34   #5
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BeMyATMplz 
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The thread is about limit holdem, not NLH.Also, where did you read the article? I don't play cashgames, but I read blogs and such stuff alot, of good,very deeply thinking players, and some numbers (especially on the low tabling-lowstakes winrates) some numbers seem to be largely made up. But wow, 36.7BB/100 over 40K hands? That's huge. You should def. give NL10 a try and I'm sure you'll beat that at good winrate.

     
  6-Jan-15, 00:05   #6
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marqis 

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Posted by BeMyATMplz:
The thread is about limit holdem, not NLH.Also, where did you read the article? I don't play cashgames, but I read blogs and such stuff alot, of good,very deeply thinking players, and some numbers (especially on the low tabling-lowstakes winrates) some numbers seem to be largely made up. But wow, 36.7BB/100 over 40K hands? That's huge. You should def. give NL10 a try and I'm sure you'll beat that at good winrate.

Ah, limit holdem, wouldn't know about that, but you'd think that would have lower win rates...
Here's the article: http://www.blackrain79.com/2014/06/good-win-rates-for-m...

On NL2 I only had a 11 bb/100 winrate (over 20000 hands), I was really hoping to have better than 50% of that on NL4, but it really took off.

I actually made a thread about moving to NL10 about a month ago: http://www.bankrollmob.com/forum.asp?mode=thread&id...

I briefly tried NL10, and it went well (very small sample), but I'm kind of waiting for the other shoe to drop (i.e. the inevitable downswing). I'd rather have that happen on NL4. Did I mention I'm "chicken"?

     
  6-Jan-15, 09:57   #7
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Tony_MON7ANA 

Joined: Mar '14
Location: Japan
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FYI. Sample size is still small and as you notice there are numerous b*ts playing virtually 24/7.

iPoker
Hold'em FL $0.02/$0.04
January 2005

Rank Player Net Hands BB/100
1. feefssfiifaafoot $62 44,236 3.52
2. SharkyDonk $51 31,568 4.04
3. nick0la5 $43 12,224 8.72
4. readmyppokerface $35 15,968 5.45
5. Crnaruza $24 29,266 2.05
6. kittypu- $22 23,518 2.33
7. MONEY0303 $22 14,556 3.69
8. AliaksandrFi $19 17,486 2.65
9. latza81 $18 11,870 3.75
10. DETEJE $17 3,516 12.22
11. gorea30 $13 2,098 15.85
12. ape1sinka $11 6,958 3.84
13. ShatPantz $11 4,570 5.83
14. banealex $11 1,846 14.38
15. ziverrty $11 2,212 11.89
16. PeterP88 $10 1,218 20.69
17. Mahairod $10 1,576 15.13
18. DRR1424669 $9 1,680 13.87
19. nastenaa1 $9 684 33.41
20. JohnnyFeather $9 104 218.27

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Replace $ with €.

Edited by Tony_MON7ANA (Tuesday, January 06, 2015 @ 23:50 GMT)


     
  12-Jan-15, 11:43   #8
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Tony_MON7ANA 

Joined: Mar '14
Location: Japan
Age: 42 (M)
Posts: 4126
Updated as of Janyary 12, 2015.

iPoker
Hold'em FL €0.02/€0.04
January 2015

Rank Player Net Hands BB/100
1. feefssfiifaafoot €192 120,240 3.99
2. readmyppokerface €79 38,870 5.06
3. Mahairod €75 29,148 6.40
4. Crnaruza €68 47,284 3.58
5. SharkyDonk €52 57,312 2.25
6. kittypu €48 47,864 2.50
7. MONEY0303 €45 27,156 4.18
8. nick0la5 €43 22,388 4.81
9. Riveraldo €42 16,344 6.41
10. fingoso €31 20,522 3.81

Edited by Tony_MON7ANA (Monday, January 12, 2015 @ 11:51 GMT)


     
  12-Jan-15, 13:21   #9
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marqis 

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Hey Tony, where do you get this information from? Is this also available for other platforms, like Party?

     
  13-Jan-15, 01:59   #10
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Tony_MON7ANA 

Joined: Mar '14
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From one of the online poker tracking sites.
Stats are available for viewing except for those of several major online poker sites.

Edited by Tony_MON7ANA (Tuesday, January 13, 2015 @ 02:28 GMT)


     
  23-Jan-15, 10:44   #11
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Tony_MON7ANA 

Joined: Mar '14
Location: Japan
Age: 42 (M)
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Stats on higher stakes (not a Mickey Mouse stake). *Just for comparison
Where are you, BlackPete? Hey, you recognize some of the bots I mentioned in earlier posts? They are from the same countries.

Party Poker
Hold'em FLH SH $30/$60
January 2015

Rank Player Net Hands BB/100
1. cicaszem $18,295 5,572 5.47
2. xalell $12,021 964 20.78
3. VolkovDmitri $8,451 1,074 13.11
4. iowrus $8,126 490 27.64
5. Desktop775 $7,531 1,206 10.41
6. gaspoopy $7,175 820 14.58
7. stayhungrrry $5,722 1,394 6.84
8. BelleDuJour $5,558 1,100 8.42
9. izi_game $5,364 856 10.44
10. Large_Lebowsky $5,047 548 15.35

cicaszem Hands Net BB/100
$30/$60 FLH SH 63,406 $73,354 1.93
$10/$20 FLH SH 36,313 $6,081 0.84
$5/$10 FLH SH 35,340 $-774 -0.22
$1/$2 FLH SH 32,316 $24 0.04
$3/$6 FLH SH 24,945 $-1,645 -1.10
$20/$40 FLH SH 18,078 $13,677 1.89
$15/$30 FLH SH 16,572 $2,901 0.58
Overall 324,609 $90,600 0.67

Edited by Tony_MON7ANA (Friday, January 23, 2015 @ 11:07 GMT)


     
  23-Feb-15, 06:16   #12
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Tony_MON7ANA 

Joined: Mar '14
Location: Japan
Age: 42 (M)
Posts: 4126
Quick update

iPoker
Hold'em FL €0.02/€0.04
Year 2015

Rank Player Net Hands BB/100
1. feefssfiifaafoot €669 474,214 3.53
2. ffarffaraway €500 420,050 2.97
3. kittypu €259 248,064 2.61
4. fingoso €245 208,706 2.93
5. Crnaruza €216 246,898 2.19
6. nick0la5 €201 119,516 4.20
7. SharkyDonk €191 253,870 1.88
8. Sambykas2 €181 97,760 4.62
9. fabmigs €177 216,488 2.04
10. Mahairod €176 110,938 3.98
11. readmyppokerface €139 139,694 2.49
12. MONEY0303 €121 93,128 3.26
13. dacrade €120 163,188 1.84
14. VitalBalts111 €105 30,132 8.67
15. Riveraldo €99 86,526 2.85
16. ape1sinka €97 63,714 3.81
17. nosirrahm €56 12,348 11.29
18. deprecle €53 132,088 1.00
19. AlVitBer22 €46 20,020 5.71
20. WrongLogic87 €44 24,066 4.52

LOL, some grinders manage to play nearly 10,000 hands per day! Insane!

Edited by Tony_MON7ANA (Monday, February 23, 2015 @ 06:22 GMT)


     
  23-Feb-15, 08:45   #13
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pajalnick 

Joined: Mar '11
Location: Russian Federation
Age: 44 (M)
Posts: 2682
10,000 hands per day??? Shock Shock Shock
This certainly suggests boots. But is poker rooms do not watch this? It's against the rules! And judging by your posts to fix it easily !! In general, I will refrain from commenting ... Big Smile

     
  23-Feb-15, 12:28   #14
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marqis 

Joined: Sep '10
Location: Netherlands
Age: 48 (M)
Posts: 1631
Posted by pajalnick:
10,000 hands per day??? Shock Shock Shock
This certainly suggests boots. But is poker rooms do not watch this? It's against the rules! And judging by your posts to fix it easily !! In general, I will refrain from commenting ... Big Smile

It's a lot, but at 100 hands/hour per table, you'd need to play 10 tables for 10 hours. Not impossible, but you might as well get a job at a factory assembly line...

     
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