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  13-Apr-15, 18:07   #1
Defend blind with 63o 0 
pelinimed 

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Few months ago i fold this without thinking,after i read few articles and one section on book Poker Brain i start defend my blinds no matters of hands.In one article i read about one hand on WSOP where player just push all inn on BB, when other players from early position limped. i ts seems to me cool strategy and i once used and its work. Defended blind especi ally in latte phase of tourney is very important.
http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/13952237_...

     
  13-Apr-15, 18:30   #2
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shokaku 

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He made it easy for you to call here with ATC, as he did just a minraise with his big pair preflop, and made only a minbet on the flop. Of cause he blow off his stack, when faced with resistance after the turn. Expert play.

     
  13-Apr-15, 19:27   #3
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arsenej1 

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I almost always defend my bb aginst a min raise.. expecially if its aginst sb. I dont understand y ppl make it so cheap for others to suck out on them when they have big pairs but coodos to them for making life so easy on us Big Smile

     
  13-Apr-15, 19:55   #4
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pinotte 
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This was a very bad play from the Q Q almost giving free cards. If you give free or cheap cards to your opponents for sure you gonna be a looser on the long run. I never give free or cheap cards with big pocket pair i am very agressive with big raise oe even shoved when you lose doig this you will normally to a better hands than you. Big Smile Big Smile

     
  13-Apr-15, 20:31   #5
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pelinimed 

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Yeah. i ts true,if he raise 3 bet and than continue with c- bet, i think i am fold,not risk over half of stack to catch OESD draw,but he give me free card and i hit. great for me Worship

     
  13-Apr-15, 20:33   #6
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Weenie 
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You cant apply some "advice" on every situation under every circumstances, same as you cant play same combination always the same way ... And I think especially on micro stakes this is absolutely bad idea. If pokerr was that easy everybody would be doing this. And yes defending your BB is important, but not with complete trashy hand like 63o where you will lose maybe 70% times in SD ...

     
  13-Apr-15, 20:37   #7
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westside1950 
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Posted by Weenie:
You cant apply some "advice" on every situation under every circumstances, same as you cant play same combination always the same way ... And I think especially on micro stakes this is absolutely bad idea. If pokerr was that easy everybody would be doing this. And yes defending your BB is important, but not with complete trashy hand like 63o where you will lose maybe 70% times in SD ...


Totally agree with everything you said.
Just to add -
most of the time you will flop a pair and then will be paying off one or two streets of value to your opponent :/

     
  13-Apr-15, 20:45   #8
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vsemoje 
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Posted by pelinimed:
Yeah. i ts true,if he raise 3 bet and than continue with c- bet, i think i am fold,not risk over half of stack to catch OESD draw,but he give me free card and i hit. great for me Worship


raise 3 bet ? u mean open for 3 big blinds i think, 3bet is smth else. And he did cbet he just cbet small Smile

about defending.. i would say it depens on player and many factors. as said above u cant apply some play in every situation.

     
  13-Apr-15, 20:47   #9
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pelinimed 

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Its depends who raise and when,ofc i am not play this junk every time on BB,sometimes without problems i know fold Ace with low kicker or low pair. Its happend because he play almost every hand and play very lose. I hit this time,but probably mis another 10 times. I am not machine to play always same.

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Posted by vsemoje:
Posted by pelinimed:
Yeah. i ts true,if he raise 3 bet and than continue with c- bet, i think i am fold,not risk over half of stack to catch OESD draw,but he give me free card and i hit. great for me Worship


raise 3 bet ? u mean open for 3 big blinds i think, 3bet is smth else. And he did cbet he just cbet small Smile

about defending.. i would say it depens on player and many factors. as said above u cant apply some play in every situation.

Ti ne seri slovenac. Sanjao sam te onu noc,imao sam nocne more zbog onog trefa asa Big Smile .Kako si ga samo pogodio mamicu mu. Mir!!! Dobri smo si Thumbs Up . Imas veliko iskustvo u turnirima, jesi na nekom nasem forumu? Je ima koji takav? yeah yeah,i know...english. Please i apologize to others.

Edited by pelinimed (Monday, April 13, 2015 @ 21:08 GMT)


     
  13-Apr-15, 21:25   #10
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Skpmorita 
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defending is always the right choice
some live pros don't care about their cards when faced with a small raise and more than 3 players called , in that situation they only look at their cards , only to see if it is good enough to 3 bet .
if no premium hand they just put that extra blind

holdem consist only of 2 cards pre-flop
and 5-cards to come , you can easily improve with any hand
but when faced with a big raise , you should consider folding
good luck in your poker journey

     
  13-Apr-15, 22:17   #11
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pelinimed 

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Here is one situation,where i decide not defending because of reading opp and defending like 63o i am not used,like rule. i Just think in proper time and situation is worth to try.
http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/13957414_...

     
  14-Apr-15, 04:56   #12
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shokaku 

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Of cause you can't call in that hand. You are deep enough to still play poker, and you would be up against 2 opponents, one already all in, with a really shitty hand. Not worth 10% of the stack.

     
  14-Apr-15, 06:54   #13
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vsemoje 
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[/QUOTE]
Ti ne seri slovenac. Sanjao sam te onu noc,imao sam nocne more zbog onog trefa asa Big Smile .Kako si ga samo pogodio mamicu mu. Mir!!! Dobri smo si Thumbs Up . Imas veliko iskustvo u turnirima, jesi na nekom nasem forumu? Je ima koji takav? yeah yeah,i know...english. Please i apologize to others. [/QUOTE]


only on big pokerr forums.

     
  14-Apr-15, 13:33   #14
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klash23 
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Does anyone know why there has been a change in the opening raise?It seems to have gone to a min raise as a standard raise now even at the start of tournaments.I don't play enough poker now to know if it is a worthwhile strategy but I know if someone min raises me it does make my decisions easier. Smile

     
  14-Apr-15, 14:15   #15
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arsenej1 

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Posted by klash23:
Does anyone know why there has been a change in the opening raise?It seems to have gone to a min raise as a standard raise now even at the start of tournaments.I don't play enough poker now to know if it is a worthwhile strategy but I know if someone min raises me it does make my decisions easier. Smile


Ive got no idea seems alot are doing it...i dont i always 3x blind plus 1x extra for any limper..find those min raisers are allowing alot of ppl in pots. Seems like most hands nowaday have 5-6 ppl in them because of that. If i have a decent hand i always put in a massive raise or push to get the play count down...doesnt always work for me but i dont care Blink gotta pay to play

     
  14-Apr-15, 15:03   #16
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Heskor 
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In my defense range i do not have 63o never have and never will as i cannot defend properly with active defending i am more of a passive one calling with speculative hands hoping to hit the flop and the name the opponent pays and all, anyway good luck , all depends on how good you are post flop if you defend with 63om, as you have to got a good read on the flop and out maneuver your opponent and all good luck mate have fun!

     
  14-Apr-15, 17:01   #17
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TheMachineQC 

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Posted by arsenej1:
I almost always defend my bb aginst a min raise.. expecially if its aginst sb. I dont understand y ppl make it so cheap for others to suck out on them when they have big pairs but coodos to them for making life so easy on us Big Smile


On the other hand, when I see players raising 4x+ in a MTT, I know most of the time these players are scared to play post flop or they're unexperienced. 4x is not gonna defend your hand better than 2x if the guy decides to call. It's all about the other guy's decision. And if you raise 4x+, my calling out of position range will be very tight...

When you raise only 2x or 2.5x, you can easily fold later in the hand if you don't like the board. You're not putting as much pressure on yourself, and you're "buying" position unless someone decides to 3bet... So you can raise more often to mix it up, especially in late position. I like to defend when my stack is big enough to call out of position, but playing out of position can be very tricky. A 2x raise is like an invitation to play a hand out of position xD There's a lot of psychology involved.

Not saying one way is better than the other, both pre flop plays have their + and -. But if you look at pro MTT tournaments, they rarely raise more than 2.5x pre flop and that's because they're confident about their post flop game. It's amazing how many pots you can win just by double or triple barrelling with air Blink IMO this kind of pre flop style has less variance involved once you're used to it and you don't do shitty post flop plays like this one.

Edited by TheMachineQC (Tuesday, April 14, 2015 @ 17:15 GMT)


     
  15-Apr-15, 12:10   #18
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bowie1984 

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Posted by TheMachineQC:
It's amazing how many pots you can win just by double or triple barrelling with air Blink IMO this kind of pre flop style has less variance involved once you're used to it and you don't do shitty post flop plays like this one.

Not that many 'cuz on a decent MTT your frequent flyer miles going to be used up very fast if you get at least one player on your table who knows his sh1t.
Don't drag pro MTTs or live toureys here as an example since this site is full of recreational players who loose their mind after their AA gets beaten three times in a row.

     
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