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  28-Dec-15, 21:25   #1
pokerstars is doomed with new changes +1 
StheP 

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Well like title says, I think it will be so...Last night I was reading new vip changes they are doing in 2016, and they want to take maximum amount of players money... and they are saying like they are doing players favor...here goes the changes...

1) value of star coins is 100star coins=1$ star coins, we get now for 100FPP~1,57$ (you see how much less)
2) they lower stellar rewards... for example if you earn 10.000VPP you will get in 2016 125$ till now you get for that 150$
3) they canceled 100k freerols that have daily 1k$ added, and cancel 5k$ weekly chrome star tournament, just to give us 1 weekly 10k$ (this is only thing that is good, but that tournament will play more than 60k players, and prizes will be hilarious)
4) they cancel weekly 100FPP silverstar tournament that had 30k$, and give us only one monthly for 20k$ ( they realy phucked us with this)
5) gold tournament I think stay same
6) high stakes cash games with blids 5/10$ will not recive any VPP, but they will pay rake (LOOOOOL) they realy PHUCKED high stakes players... just this will kill pokerstars for sure... because they will take hundreds of thousands $ of rake from those players, if not even million, and not giving them even a chewing gum O.o all high stakes players will go to somewhere else, where they can get at least some rakeback...
7) they canceled supernova freeroll 1m$ guaranteed that held evry quater of year
8) they even caceled all stellar rewards from 200K VPP and up

so to sum it up they phucked the most high stakes players... they couldnt phuck them more... I am furious that they canceled 100FPP silverstar tournament :Sand what is worst they are saying its all for our good and that this had to be done and that THEY ARE DOING US A FAVOR O.o maybe this will not ruin ps but if they do something like this once more that will ruin them for sure :S

     
  28-Dec-15, 21:35   #2
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Mober 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Greece
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I doubt they are. The have the biggest slice of the pie now.
When they acquired Full Tilt, i bet they started making plans and schedules for such changes.
They want more money and they will get it.

They only way to reconsider, is by players start leaving.
But it will require a significant amount of them.

Also they must have put huge amounts of time into this one, to see how much they will affect
them. And they probably realized it wont.

They have made the changes already, or they did an announcement about it.

     
  28-Dec-15, 22:01   #3
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Ingrind33 

Joined: Sep '15
Location: Netherlands
Age: 34 (F)
Posts: 477
Hey there all,

Maybe they are making extra cash before they are going to sell it.

Within some small time, some European Union countries are going to legalize online gambling and that will result in lot of competition. Players from for example Holland, will gamble on a Dutch site with Dutch chat/lobby with their fellow Dutchmen.

So maybe they feel the heat and are going to squeeze everything out of the people.

Just some Agree smokers theory....

Where's my lighter?

Heart

     
  28-Dec-15, 22:32   #4
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arsenej1 

Joined: Mar '09
Location: Canada
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Posts: 3008
Everyone move to partypoker...would be great if the sngs filled up faster. They have much better promos and bonuses and software is prety decent

     
  28-Dec-15, 22:36   #5
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StheP 

Joined: Oct '14
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Posted by Mober:
I doubt they are. The have the biggest slice of the pie now.
When they acquired Full Tilt, i bet they started making plans and schedules for such changes.
They want more money and they will get it.

They only way to reconsider, is by players start leaving.
But it will require a significant amount of them.

Also they must have put huge amounts of time into this one, to see how much they will affect
them. And they probably realized it wont.

They have made the changes already, or they did an announcement about it.

well I dont see why would high stakes players stay on pokerstar... they will not even get chrome star status for their high stakes cash game, where they are making in day enough VPP for goldstar :S

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Posted by arsenej1:
Everyone move to partypoker...would be great if the sngs filled up faster. They have much better promos and bonuses and software is prety decent

well partypoker is first choise after pokerstars and full tilt... I will see how it goes with this, and than I will decide if i will move my bankroll somewhere else or I will stay on pokerstars...

     
  28-Dec-15, 22:45   #6
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arsenej1 

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When i get back to playing ill be doing the same. Just wish partypoker had spins but ill manage without. I already sent partypoker a congraduatory email congraduating them on next years success with pokerstars recent f**k ups Blink

     
  29-Dec-15, 00:00   #7
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damosk 
Joined: Feb '11
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It's always interesting when a renowned brand makes changes to what customers consider standard or regular stuff. I guess if we put our own poker site heads on we would also be looking for ways to make more money, while still giving something. Another way to think of it is, if you joined stars after the change, never having played there before, would you like it?

     
  29-Dec-15, 00:13   #8
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arsenej1 

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Posted by damosk:
It's always interesting when a renowned brand makes changes to what customers consider standard or regular stuff. I guess if we put our own poker site heads on we would also be looking for ways to make more money, while still giving something. Another way to think of it is, if you joined stars after the change, never having played there before, would you like it?


Very true. I just dont beleive stars gives much of anything to there players as is. Now there taking more away. Hopefully volume dies down and they start offering more back. If a guy pays say 5k$ in rake a year i think giving back a few hundo is reasonable. They give back bare minimal to those who play reguarly and pay lots lf rake and offer things to new players. In a sense it makes sense. Keep them coming back....until they play there alot like some of us and dont even get a sniff of a deposit bonus or anything else

     
  29-Dec-15, 00:27   #9
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StheP 

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Posted by arsenej1:
Posted by damosk:
It's always interesting when a renowned brand makes changes to what customers consider standard or regular stuff. I guess if we put our own poker site heads on we would also be looking for ways to make more money, while still giving something. Another way to think of it is, if you joined stars after the change, never having played there before, would you like it?


Very true. I just dont beleive stars gives much of anything to there players as is. Now there taking more away. Hopefully volume dies down and they start offering more back. If a guy pays say 5k$ in rake a year i think giving back a few hundo is reasonable. They give back bare minimal to those who play reguarly and pay lots lf rake and offer things to new players. In a sense it makes sense. Keep them coming back....until they play there alot like some of us and dont even get a sniff of a deposit bonus or anything else

I totaly agree with you... they are giving mizery back, and now they want to take huge amount of that mizery O.o only thing pokerstars have is huge field of players, and thats why most people decide to play there... but with those stupid moves they will lose that huge field, and they will colapse by their own mistakes...

     
  29-Dec-15, 03:35   #10
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demodawggy 

Joined: Feb '12
Location: Canada
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... Big Smile< Since those changes were made or whoever took over PokerStars has really made the challenges and sharing of the wealth a LOT less worth it... Sleepy

... Big Smile< If they start taking away old favorites TOO,...well then....wtf...???

... Big Smile< I wish they'd bring back tha NAPL,...but obviously there are no Yankees playing on PS...

     
  29-Dec-15, 07:37   #11
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qzmag 
Joined: Nov '11
Location: Romania
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hello. here is Daniel Negreanu about the changes of Pokerstars

https://youtu.be/jHRLy-aCbLE

     
  29-Dec-15, 07:46   #12
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shokaku 

Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
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It is quite simple. The poker economy is shrinking for a while now, and the rooms want to keep their profits, and this can only be achieved by targeting the high volume players. So they did. Usually those players would just switch the room. But there is little alternative to Stars now.

     
  29-Dec-15, 11:55   #13
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StheP 

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Posted by shokaku:
It is quite simple. The poker economy is shrinking for a while now, and the rooms want to keep their profits, and this can only be achieved by targeting the high volume players. So they did. Usually those players would just switch the room. But there is little alternative to Stars now.

but they are not asking themself why is poker fiel dhrinking... they all did this, when they wanted to get more money in less time... first they increase rake... that scare some players away... than they put spin and go... a lot of players has blown their bankroll there, than they put casino and bettin, so more poker players blow their poker money there... thats one more group of poker players leaving poker industry... and now this catasthrophic change... how much players will this scare away? if they wanted profit they shold change only one thing like change cost of starcoins, and leave all other things... belive me they would make much more in long run, than from those.... And now to go back to player field... I remember until year ago on sunday prize for first place didnt go below 220K$... now it doesnt go higher than 180k$... think about it...also I remember 2 years ago there were somewhere between 230k-350k players on stars at any moment, now it cant reach 200k... this all speaks about thair changes so far, and this change will scare a lot more people away... wel done ps

     
  29-Dec-15, 12:35   #14
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teiwaz 
Joined: Apr '15
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This year 50 % of the players PokerStars have left .

Does anyone know the reason why today no Ft BRM Freeroll Confused

Spade Club Heart Diamond

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have left Pokerstars Big Smile

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Poksta

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Pokerstars

Edited by teiwaz (Tuesday, December 29, 2015 @ 12:40 GMT)


     
  29-Dec-15, 14:28   #15
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Ingrind33 

Joined: Sep '15
Location: Netherlands
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Posted by teiwaz:
This year 50 % of the players PokerStars have left .

Does anyone know the reason why today no Ft BRM Freeroll Confused

Spade Club Heart Diamond

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have left Pokerstars Big Smile

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Poksta

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Pokerstars


Hello Teiwaz, I missed the Deal jackpot on FT, how much of the share did u get?

     
  29-Dec-15, 14:42   #16
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Buva13 

Joined: Jul '15
Location: Croatia
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Just LOL, Pokerstars already gets more then enough moving any promo ,goes more to their benefit then to other players so what stops them to do as they want.

And second of all their "Pokerstars makes milionares promos" probably took more cash out then they hoped. Some dudes got lucky and they had to pay up.

     
  29-Dec-15, 15:06   #17
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teiwaz 
Joined: Apr '15
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hi Ingrind i get 14.07 Dollar
i only got it, because u wrote something about that every 12 hours playing coin and then
become a part of the Jackpot.
Your Tips the Best Smile

Spade Club Heart Diamond

ps still waiting

     
  29-Dec-15, 22:03   #18
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Mober 
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StheP, have you seen may sites besides Poker Stars and Full, with many high stakes games.
Most of the other sites cant even fill a table in the stakes these two do.
So they will have to split all of them together in another site, for them to reconsider Smile

And of course we are not talking about the low level players.
No sites cares about them, as they do about the high ones Smile

     
  29-Dec-15, 22:37   #19
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IceQueenAce 
Joined: Feb '13
Location: United Kingdom
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The poker sites have all the details on where they make their most money etc.

High stakes, regulars, recs etc.

They don't guess, they run the figures and know what they can and cant earn.

It isn't about making more money, its about keeping money coming in in a shrinking game. If you look at the published results of the sites that have casino etc attached, you will see that they make way more money from slots than poker.

Back on topic though, a lot of sites are moving away from high stakes and regs and looking to do what they can for recs/fish. Things like banning software and removing use of hand history.

They must be doing this based on numbers, they haven't suddenly decided to do it out of thin air.

My guess is they will be just fine.

     
  30-Dec-15, 00:44   #20
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StheP 

Joined: Oct '14
Location: Serbia
Age: 26 (M)
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Posted by IceQueenAce:

It isn't about making more money

you are wrong... its all about making money... even they say so... they are looking how to earn more money, because pokerstars is sharing company, when amaya bought them, and they are not like before 1 owner... and now stock holders want to see profit, and want to earn more money, and they will do that at any means necessery, but that will doom them...

     
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