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  2-Mar-16, 15:53   #1
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pinotte 
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I was playing zoom $.01/$.02 i am on SB with A A and one guy before me bet and got one call i raised
and both players called. The flop come see pic. and the first guy bet $0.28 what would you do with your A A.

I would appreciate your comments.

     
  2-Mar-16, 16:04   #2
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Tony_MON7ANA 

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I guess two callers do not have AA, KK, QQ, (AK or JJ).
Their hand ranges would be numerous combinations of Ax, Kx, Qx, Jx, suited connectors, gappers, plus pocket pairs smaller than 10s or 9s.

With that flop texture, I would like to check call all the way to showdown. It would be so interesting if one of the opponents makes his/her straight on the turn or river while you hit your full house.

Edited by Tony_MON7ANA (Wednesday, March 02, 2016 @ 16:29 GMT)


     
  2-Mar-16, 16:18   #3
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StheP 

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thats a call for sure... you must call flop here with aces... you cannot just fold on first bullet fired...

     
  2-Mar-16, 16:41   #4
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IceQueenAce 
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raise or fold.

You have no info on the others and the only way you will get them is by raising. Calling will tell you nothing.

If you raise and get re-raised, you now you are behind

     
  2-Mar-16, 17:12   #5
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pinotte 
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They had both call my re raise pre flop so when i saw the flop i just figured that one could have a K and when he bet i did not risk and fold.

Maybe it was a bluff but if not then what would be my cost. Question Question

     
  2-Mar-16, 18:47   #6
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SBEP 

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At least call one more time u never know u could hit your ace on the turn, if not and u are raised again this time big, simply fold, one of them could have easily flated here with KQ,KJ,KT type of hand and when he saw the kings he started a mission to grow the pot, but im calling here at least AT LEAST one more time.

     
  2-Mar-16, 18:57   #7
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IceQueenAce 
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call one more time is the worst thing you can do imo.

it tells you nothing about where you are in the hand

     
  2-Mar-16, 19:09   #8
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shokaku 

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Story and picture do not match. Where is the third player you mentioned as being in the hand? And what did you do on the flop as you were the first to act being the small blind? Did you check the flop?

     
  2-Mar-16, 19:24   #9
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pinotte 
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I did check and the opther player fold on the first on bet on the flop.

     
  2-Mar-16, 19:30   #10
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shokaku 

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You were the preflop aggressor, why did you check that flop? It is perfect for a high card hand to put in another bet. That would have made life much easier for us. Now we are left in the dark, and can play the guessing game.

     
  2-Mar-16, 19:43   #11
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SBEP 

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Posted by IceQueenAce:
call one more time is the worst thing you can do imo.

it tells you nothing about where you are in the hand


So u reraise his bet on flop, which he shoves or reraises back at u, that tells u he has a K and u have to fold right there, but if u flat his bet on the flop, u get to turn and u spike an A, u get a chance to clean him out, thats why i think u should flat his bet on the flop, u miss on the turn no ace comes, he raises again its a simple fold, u have already put him on K when he made the bet on the flop, and thats that, at least my way u get to see one more card, give yourself one more chance to hit the nuts Big Smile

Edited by SBEP (Wednesday, March 02, 2016 @ 19:50 GMT)


     
  2-Mar-16, 19:52   #12
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StheP 

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well if you want my honest opinion... you shouldnt check flop... you always have to bet that flop, and if he reraise you, you can assume that he got you beat, exept if he knows to bluff there...but in your situation I would have to correct myself and agree with ice... I didnt see clear situation, just took a look, and didnt see that you are out of position... and didnt know that you checked that flop... you check this flop only to induce bluff, and if you checked than you want him to bet and you just sit down and call... but if you checked this flop because you dont know where you stand, than its easy... its reraise or fold...But huge mistake here is checking flop... you could min raise here... that would be best solution, maybe little more than min reraise...

     
  2-Mar-16, 21:06   #13
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Tony_MON7ANA 

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Nice discussion going on!

The opponent could have had QJ (of Hearts) and the Ace (of Hearts) would have hit on the river giving him/her a (royal) flush!!!
Just my own guessing game.

Edited by Tony_MON7ANA (Wednesday, March 02, 2016 @ 21:26 GMT)


     
  2-Mar-16, 21:32   #14
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arsenej1 

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For the sake of a buyin id go for it. Eather u win a few buyins or lose one. Pokers real easy if you play for fun and dont over think it Smile the day i gotta start using a calculator to play is the day i toss in the towel. You are probably behind but for me the rush of the unknown is what makes it interesting and keeps me coming back

     
  3-Mar-16, 03:52   #15
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TheMachineQC 

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I would tend to make a pretty large 3bet there pre flop, because we're out of position so we're gonna have to lead out strong too so might as well commit more chips pre flop.

Problem on this type of flop is that it's very likely that one of the 2 guys have a king. A lot of suited kings and connected kings could be in their ranges. But because there's a flush draw and straight draw out there, it makes it nearly impossible for you to do a nit fold there. I would raise to like 78 and then see what he does. If he insta shoves, I think it's easy to put him on a K, so you can either call or fold depending on which type of player vilain is.

     
  3-Mar-16, 08:07   #16
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IceQueenAce 
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Posted by arsenej1:
For the sake of a buyin id go for it. Eather u win a few buyins or lose one. Pokers real easy if you play for fun and dont over think it Smile the day i gotta start using a calculator to play is the day i toss in the towel. You are probably behind but for me the rush of the unknown is what makes it interesting and keeps me coming back


I think this is an important piece of info that a lot of people forget.

For me, I play to make a profit (wedding fund!) and have to maximise everything. This means its not even all that fun to play, it's just like work.

But for others, it is all about the gamble and the buzz and therefore they can make wild calls at any time for the sheer fun of it.

I think it is very easy for both groups (especially winning players) to forget about why the other group plays and adjust accordingly.

     
  3-Mar-16, 08:26   #17
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Tony_MON7ANA 

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I believe I learned a lot from observing the debate.

Edited by Tony_MON7ANA (Thursday, March 03, 2016 @ 08:46 GMT)


     
  3-Mar-16, 09:32   #18
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damosk 
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I guess my question is, why did you put the other player on a K? K and what? This is an important consideration and can be informed by his pre flop action. Was his bet in line with him having a K and something else, or could you assess from previous play what each player had.

Another consideration would be, if you had a K, and saw this flop and you were first to act, how would you have played it? I'm guessing you probably wouldn't have bet half the pot. You may have checked int he hope of enticing more action before raising.

I think the answer in this situation, in the absence of any information about the other players and how they have been playing previously, is to raise. Raise at least the pot. If you get reraisedreraised then you know you are behind. If you get a call, then see what the turn brings and reassess.

It's too easy to assign cards to players based on what the flop brings. You need more consideration than that. In maths, the fact that there are 2 K's on the board, means it is less likely that there is a K in someone's hand.

The other thing to remember is you are playing 1/2 c zoom. He could have 65s! (LOL)


Hope this helps. Big Smile Blink

Edited by damosk (Thursday, March 03, 2016 @ 09:36 GMT)


     
  3-Mar-16, 10:25   #19
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superthight 

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yup its really bad if you incounter some god hands in three players only luck will tell whos winning but pocket aces are most advance of course why not id rather risk aa than ak or pocket kings good luck guys have fun always... Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile

     
  3-Mar-16, 11:53   #20
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Serpang 
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Posted by Tony_MON7ANA:
I believe I learned a lot from observing the debate.



Yes !! me too Thumbs Up I would bet half pot on flop , looking for more information. If he raised ( not shove ) I will call ( not sure he had K, would you raised at his position ? I don't think so, cause usually at his position I just call to make a trap )

Since you check you should reraised him (I will assume he had K / TT if he call) , if he reraised even shove I will fold

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Posted by pinotte:
They had both call my re raise pre flop so when i saw the flop i just figured that one could have a K and when he bet i did not risk and fold.

Maybe it was a bluff but if not then what would be my cost. Question Question


$0.28 is not big, at least you have to call ! even if you lost you will know how others player play ! at that level so many player love gambling, play flush/straight draw. Yeah ...learning need cost, lol.
My question is at his position would you bet if you had K ?

Edited by Serpang (Thursday, March 03, 2016 @ 12:08 GMT)


     
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