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  28-Apr-16, 03:38   #1
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vic75 
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S**t stars again I played a couple micro bounty builders. I get 77 I min raise I get reraised Allin I have him covered I fold after the hand he says 44 Fck Big Smile later in the tournament I get 1010vs AQvsAK AQ9 board I fold against two big stack Allins guess what a 10 on the river big pot lost AK an A on the turn and river giving me three of a kind with flush on the board get shoved Allin on the river I fold QQ 8 big blinds left in the Canada bounty freeroll qualifier vs 88 8 hits and out in 46th place Pokerstars rng is the worst from now on pre flop I will shove these hands Pokerstars rng is joke. Evil Aww crap! Aww crap!

     
  28-Apr-16, 04:46   #2
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TheMachineQC 

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Oh well, It's all pretty standard. So many times you do the opposite and call with 77, then you're against A4o and lose... The righteousness of your decision doesn't influence the outcome. Besides, if you would've been in the hand, I'm pretty sure the turn and river may have been different because of how online RnGs works. If the card order was pre-determined like it is in real life, pokerstars would be a lot more prone to hacking.

GL Vic!

     
  28-Apr-16, 14:46   #3
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pinotte 
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Posted by TheMachineQC:
Oh well, It's all pretty standard. So many times you do the opposite and call with 77, then you're against A4o and lose... The righteousness of your decision doesn't influence the outcome. Besides, if you would've been in the hand, I'm pretty sure the turn and river may have been different because of how online RnGs works. If the card order was pre-determined like it is in real life, pokerstars would be a lot more prone to hacking.

GL Vic!


I really don't understand why you are saying that the cards could have been different he if was on the hand. HO is not like other game where a player change the cards distribution depending if he his in the hand or not.

In HO and omaha the cards are on the middle of the table to be used by all players and not distribute to every one like other games.

So could you explain me why the RNG could make a difference. Question Question

     
  28-Apr-16, 17:34   #4
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Serpang 
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I more confuse play at PS and FT, so many big hand like AK, AQ made me lost big stack . Small pair never won. I understand when you fold 77. I played many time just lost. Just lucky game there, if you have feeling to play your winning hand Sad

     
  29-Apr-16, 05:41   #5
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TheMachineQC 

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Pinotte, what I meant is that if you fold instead of calling, you have no reason to believe that the turn would have been the same. It's not a real deck of cards. It's not shuffled before the hand and the cards don't remain in the same order. They are Randomly Generated everytime, and that's not a bad thing.

Atleast that's what I have been told, and I think it makes perfect sense. Like I said in my previous post, if the order was stored somewhere, then it would be very easy for a good hacker to go and find that information. If the information is not yet created, then it's impossible. If you want that clarified, you can always ask stars, I'm sure they're allowed to give information about their RNG.

     
  29-Apr-16, 07:50   #6
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marqis 

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Posted by TheMachineQC:
Pinotte, what I meant is that if you fold instead of calling, you have no reason to believe that the turn would have been the same. It's not a real deck of cards. It's not shuffled before the hand and the cards don't remain in the same order. They are Randomly Generated everytime, and that's not a bad thing.

Atleast that's what I have been told, and I think it makes perfect sense. Like I said in my previous post, if the order was stored somewhere, then it would be very easy for a good hacker to go and find that information. If the information is not yet created, then it's impossible. If you want that clarified, you can always ask stars, I'm sure they're allowed to give information about their RNG.

I can't believe that Pokerstars would be the source of that argument. If their system would be so compromised as to give hackers access to that data, then surely they would be able to see everyone's hole cards anyway, no matter how the deck is shuffled.
So it would not matter; all would be lost anyway.

It sounds like someone trying to think of reasons why the deck is not shuffled like it is in real life. My guess it's just a software design decision, nothing more.

     
  29-Apr-16, 19:29   #7
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TheMachineQC 

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I'm not saying their data is open to anyone. But surely some hackers are talented/ressourceful enough to crack almost anything. What I'm saying is that the turn (for exemple) will be calculated by the RnG exactly as it comes out on the table. Which means the data doesn't even exist for long enough for someone to be able to find it and use it to his advantage. That's one of the reasons why their RnG is very secure. But the order of the flop, turn and river isn't predetermined like in real life, that's the only difference. It's still random though (supposedly Blink )

Besides, like we've seen in the past, hackers usually hack a player's computer instead to see his whole cards with teamviewer or something like that and then try to stalk him on the tables Blink Hacking the poker sites themselves must be nearly impossible.

     
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