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Phil Ivey Loses Appeal Against London Casino Over His 7.7M Winnings

Tags: Crockfords Club, edge sorting, Phil Ivey
Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2016 by "T".
The decision that Phil Ivey had been waiting for many months has finally came, but it is not what he wanted to hear. He has just lost his £7.7M dispute against a London casino at the Court of Appeal, as a judge stated that his "edge sorting" technique was equivalent to cheating despite the fact that he was not dishonest. Ivey lost his appeal against Genting Casinos UK, owner of Crockfords C[...]   Read more » Phil Ivey Loses Appeal Against London Casino Over His 7.7M Winnings

  10-Nov-16, 18:27   #1
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waoz 
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Whose fault is it? Of the mule or muleteer? If there is a flaw in the printing and design of the cards should be the problem of the casino and the contractor who issues the letters, I do not see just that appeal in phil ivey cotra ... but well this is the world.

     
  10-Nov-16, 22:21   #2
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Mober 
Joined: Mar '09
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Kinda bull. A player of his ability? Which is what exactly. Trying to find ways to win the
game that does not include the game with its rules?
So his ability here was what ? Spotting the defected cards and taking this into his
advantage?
Great skills Smile

     
  11-Nov-16, 09:17   #3
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doubletop777 
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I really thought that Phil Ivey would win this appeal and i was disappointed to read that he didn't. The Judges said he wasn't dishonest, so how can they say that he was cheating?

     
  11-Nov-16, 09:46   #4
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damosk 
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This is a very interesting case and it will be ingesting to see what the outcome is should there be a further appeal. So, he wasn't cheating. But was he playing win the strict rules of the game? Consider this. There is no rule that an electronic ball propulsion machine cannot be used in soccer. So , if a team gets awarded a free kick, what is stopping them bringing on an electronic ball propulsion machine to shoot the ball into the back of the net? Hmm. We'd all have a lot to say about that, but it's not cheating, cos the game doesn't specifically disallow this, however, it's not in the rules so it's not allowed!

     
  11-Nov-16, 13:50   #5
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pajalnick 

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perhaps he should not be recognized in the fact that he had seen a casino card ... if he had said that he had just won because he was damn lucky dude the casino would not have proved that it is not ... but he is an honest guy and why he suffered ... ... honesty is punishable deceive everyone and you will be a winner - a conclusion can be drawn from this case

     
  11-Nov-16, 20:46   #6
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sammybeyo 

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that was a very unfair decision for Phil Ivey would be good if they can overturn it somehow and appeal the decision in his favour

     
  12-Nov-16, 00:18   #7
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bowie1984 

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I could say I am feeling sorry for Phil Ivey but I am really not.
His rigging the system in place in many casino by relying heavily on their good intentions to meet his ridiculous pre-game demands (mandarin speaking croupier??? cmon!) then he is upset when these establishments are seeing through his shenanigans.
His much more talented in making money than needing to use the gimmicks he had in these cases. Eff him for not being a stand-up guy.

     
  12-Nov-16, 12:37   #8
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dule-vu 

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must admit that I dont understand whole thing about this problem!did try to understand what he done with card,edge sorting!whoever is guilty,if he stays without this money,he would be angry,its huge amount and everybody would fight for this!

     
  12-Nov-16, 18:49   #9
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Ingrind33 

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Phil Ivey can't be trusted in poker tournaments as well. He would be a guy who collabs with others. For example he can let other "ghost" players loose their stack to him. Who knows he pays someone in the video room to look at other people's cards.
This can be all pure paranoia, but with his careless arrogant look and a cheating history like that, you simply can not trust him! very sad if you pity him, because he would not give any fck about you. Fanboys are just asskissing beta males.

     
  13-Nov-16, 00:34   #10
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bowie1984 

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Posted by Ingrind33:
Fanboys are just asskissing beta males.

Well, to be quite honest alpha males would not take the time and effort to actually care about this case let alone comment or debate on it or eventually learn who the hell is Phil Ivey and why should they care about him and his missing money at all...

     
  13-Nov-16, 13:23   #11
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pochui 

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well i guess this is one of those cases where each side feels that they are completely right and their opponent is completely wrong, but in reality me ponders that both of them are right and both of them are wrong. oh btw ivey dude, never saw honest cheating right? then take a peek at politics...

     
  13-Nov-16, 17:54   #12
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TheMachineQC 

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That's weird... In the last news the juries were voting equally... Looks like the casino found a way to somehow have the jury's empathy or something. I would just not care about a industry that steals people for a living getting stolen from to be honest. These people should have gave a gambler his win in the court!

Let's jut all stay away from casinos I guess! Even when you win you don't Blink

     
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