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Depends on the opponents. If they like to call an all in, push the chips in the middle. Against most players it is better to make a big raise. Usually someone will call.
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Posted by intentcity4: I like to slow play, but if you slow play you must be prepared to lay it down after the flop if you small a rat,
i gotta stress this is the worst way of playing premium hands. AA is the best hand for raising and reraising and gathering as much money in the pot as possible PRE FLOP, this will commit people who can't let go of other strong hands, and fold people with weak hands.. obviously if they all have weak hands, you make nothing from it... but then if you slow play it and a weak hand hits two pair, you are owned.
You can't get all the money in postflop with a single pair, even an over pair. People will not generally call raises and reraises without 2pair+ and they will not want to go all in with just top pair.
Slowplaying aces basically turns them into a setmining hand, unless you really plan on going broke with a pair against somebody who is raising/calling raises.
AA is the best starting hand, and if played well preflop, will suck in many inferior AQ AK AJ KK QQ JJ hands, especially if a AQ Queen hits and he already has half his stack invested.. or a AK king, but honestly, what use is going in slow with Aces when its so easily outdrawn and nobody is calling with worse after the flop (at best you will get half of waht you could of against TPTK).
If you are unlucky enough to get AA and nobody calls your raise.. tough titty, move on.
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what happens if an ace comes out on the flop ? you can say goodbye to your payday because you raised, even if your up against AK AQ they wont bet with complete confidence, if you had limped in however
------------ i really dont understand people raising 3 times the blind with the monster, its simple logic, when you have a weak hand you want people to think your strong, when you have a strong hand you want people to think your weak.
Edited by intentcity4 (06 January 2009 @ 04:12 GMT)
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Posted by intentcity4: what happens if an ace comes out on the flop ? you can say goodbye to your payday because you raised, even if your up against AK AQ they wont bet with complete confidence, if you had limped in however
------------ i really dont understand people raising 3 times the blind with the monster, its simple logic, when you have a weak hand you want people to think your strong, when you have a strong hand you want people to think your weak.
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A lot of pro"s just limp in with pkt As, are you better then them to ?, but its ok you keep winning your blinds, To win a big pot you have to risk losing it as well, i dont do it with pkt Js Qs or Ks, or AK AQ, just with pkt As, Also whens your book comming out?
Edited by intentcity4 (06 January 2009 @ 10:58 GMT)
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im no pro, but i think you can play it both ways. of course your right spanish herb if you say your chance to win the hand decrease if you play vs 5 hands - but you might win a bigger pot. i prefer to raise though.
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raising is certainly the safer option, but to my way of thinking if you raise 3 times the big blind and get called, that caller was probably going to raise anyway, so i like to let him do the raising that way im not giving him any info about my hand, and as i said if you do limp in you must be prepared to lay it down, which i am, so i dont have any problem with either method, allthough its funny because i actualy think "limping in " is the more aggressive of the two. as for cliffmf, thats just a bit of trans tasman banter. lol
Joined: Dec '08
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I like both methods too, I think everyone should mix their game up, so your opponent can't put you on a hand like aces, I hate playing an ace on an aceflop though like most do, cause it's almost never wheter you slowplayed it or not that your oppponent pays you off
