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Joined: May '08
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I was talking too a semi pro on the site i play (PKR) and he had an opinion about players nagging and posted many many badbeats on forums. His opinion was: Good players dont nag about badbeats, they know its just variance and they also know they win in the long run. Good players step easily over a badbeat and continue to play their abc-poker without the influence off the badbeat.
Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
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If it does help you to stop from tilting, by posting the beats in every forum you have joined. Do it. It is better than donking off a lot of money while on monkey tilt.
Have you ever see me posting a bad beat here? I think the ans. is no. Yeah the semi pro is totally right about "Good players dont nag about badbeats, they know its just variance and they also know they win in the long run."
Joined: Nov '07
Location: Belgium
Age: 40 (M)
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Oh so true. Fs, I already got over the fact that I can lose 2K in a day. It is indeed variance. Just posting it makes it even worse, coz U keep reading it lol.
Just always wondering : If this happened to U, it certainly goes the other way around. Ask any player ; " did U ever gave someone a suckout?" Bet 50K on it nobody can. Doesn't exist.
It stays sh*tty and spewtardish imho , but indeed : longterm thinkers vs shorttermthinkers.
I think it depends a lot on the situation and the way of presenting the bad beat. When you have a seperate Forum/thread for those storys and you tell them in a way that everybody can understand the situation, then it's okay, when you need to tell it. But when you just spam everyday 1-2 storys of 2 sentences, which nobody understands, then it's just annoying.
Joined: Oct '08
Location: Germany
Age: 49 (M)
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damnit i was writing a roman and all of a sudden i lose connection to BRM.
ok short story...yesterday i lost 11 (eleven!) pocket aces to random cards - just sick. so for me the "long run" doesnt exist for the next two weeks....time for a break. enough whining.
to the topic: ive never posted bad beats but i can imagine for some players its like a valve to post bad beats. same as when you have a issue with someone. you simply feel better when you talk with your family/friends about it. it also can be fun to post bad beats if the winner had a ridiculous hand and won...just to have a laugh. doesnt necessary mean someone is a bad player just because he post bad beats.
Joined: Nov '07
Location: Belgium
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 1289
Yes But loads of players see a bad beat so easily. Like a nutflush against a full.... Not really a bad beat imho just an example. Term bad beat is used too much.
Posted by shokaku: If it does help you to stop from tilting, by posting the beats in every forum you have joined. Do it. It is better than donking off a lot of money while on monkey tilt.
Joined: Feb '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 35 (M)
Posts: 1886
I never post any bad beats myself but I mostly don't agree with this opinion. I agree that it depends on why they are posting. It makes no difference if the hand is a bad beat or just a well played hand, I want to read posts because they are interesting or funny or unusual. I totally agree that too many ppl post bad beat stories as though they are the only ones who have seen hands like this but then lots of ppl post hands which ain't even bad beats cos they think they are exceptional when really they are not.
It's like this; bad beat or not ppl should only post interesting/funny hands but they end up posting lots of hands which aren't anything special. This makes them over-emotional, egotistical, full of self-importance, easily impressed or inexperienced but not necessarily bad players.
Joined: Jun '09
Location: New Zealand
Age: 33 (M)
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Most of the time u gotta say yes becasue as you said most good players accept that it is variance and as well as that most good player tend not to get themselves in situations where a piece of luck can wipeout large parts of their roll or cause them enough pain to want to share it with everyone else.
But then again isnt posting or a forum just simply an expresion of anger and a search for simpathy. Therefore you would have to say from the original thinking that ne1 who gets angry at a bad beat or tells ne1 about it is a bad player because as you said shouldnt a good player just accept it and move on with no emotion. But we see top players get angry all the time when something like a bad beat happens to them, some pros like Hellmuth and Matusow would probally go and write a blog about a bad beat, does that make them bad players?
Really telling a bad beat story is more of a personality trait as oppose to anything really poker related. Some ppl can accept a piece of bad luck and some feel that they need assuarnce from others that it was bad luck, or just need other ppl to feel sorry for them because they feel sorry for themselves. It doesn't really have anything to do with poker skill.
Joined: Apr '08
Location: Sweden
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It's fine by me as long as you keep it to a single thread, but when every day half of the new threads are so called bad beats, a lot of them barely bad beats at all and half of them entiteled worst beat ever and so on, most of which are pretty bad but most serious players have worse every other week. Besides most people who complain about bad beats do so because they just lost their BR on one bad beat = bad BRM. Anyone who plays poker seriously knows that while playing a lot of poker you are looking for fishes who will get their money in there with the worst hand and most of the time you won't be more than a 9 to 1 favorite, so say you get your money in there what a 50 times a day at the very least if you play poker for a living so on avarage you will be sucked out upon between 20 and 3 times a day and that is just math.
Posted by doomdy: Good players dont nag about badbeats Wot u think?
Phil Helmuth is bitching about every lost hand (not only bad beats). Does it make him a bad player? An unpleasant person. Yes. But I wish that I was that bad as a player. Good player will not allow a bad beat to affect the quality of his play. Whether he talks about it later or not is irrelevant.
Joined: Mar '08
Location: United Kingdom
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Taking a BB is not always about the money involved. A lot of BB posted are not BB Beliving only bad players post BB is ignorance, iv seen lots from lots of Pros If it is a BB then it shows A, the player can see a real bb and B he plays his hand correct. If not then its bad play.
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Portugal
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I cant consider them bad players because i dont know them enough to do that, but some of the bad beat stories we read in BRM aren't really badbeats. Are more like guys playing wrong poker, in low level were some guys play without looking at cards, and that cant be considered as a badbeat. "Once in a $0.01 buy-in single table touney i lot AK all in pre-flop against 9T off because he made straight": we all know that can happen. If you show that in a $25/$50 ring table, everyone would be interested in knowing the probably pro player who went with the 9T. In other ocasions its irrelevant.
Joined: Jan '08
Location: Canada
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Phil Hellmuth and Mike Matusow don't take bad beats well. I heard Mike posts all his bad beats on p***********g ? So I don't know, not all good players can shrug off a bad beat.
Joined: Aug '09
Location: Germany
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Posted by GeneYuss: Phil Hellmuth and Mike Matusow don't take bad beats well. I heard Mike posts all his bad beats on p***********g ? So I don't know, not all good players can shrug off a bad beat.
Mike Matusow his like a manic when hits a bad beat new comer
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
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I agree completely that its bad players (obviously exceptions to every rule) that post bad beat stories.
Bad players and babies IMO
And it's always the same muppets that COMPLAIN about having donkeys/fish at their table (because everyone knows donkeys ALWAYS get their runner runner hands)
Most people would/should be happy to have people calling their AA with some s**t like K 4, occasionally you lose, but normally no.
I think also its not nessacarily bad players, maybe sometimes winning players that do it to, but also just wankers + dickheads that post bad beats. Same sort of A-Holes that start abusing people in the in-room chat boxes
Joined: Jan '09
Location: Italy
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Posted by Jinn:
Posted by shokaku: If it does help you to stop from tilting, by posting the beats in every forum you have joined. Do it. It is better than donking off a lot of money while on monkey tilt.
Joined: Aug '08
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Posted by Jinn:
Posted by shokaku: If it does help you to stop from tilting, by posting the beats in every forum you have joined. Do it. It is better than donking off a lot of money while on monkey tilt.
