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‘The Queen of Sorts’ says imperfections of Gemaco cards are irrelevant in Borgata case

Tags: baccarat, Chen Yin Sun, edge sorting, Phil Ivey.
Posted on Friday, September 15, 2017 by "T".

The case of Phil Ivey versus Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa on the baccarat dispute takes another whole new plot twist after the playing card manufacturer Gemaco reminds the court of a significant revelation that came from Chen Yin Sun, dubbed the Queen of Sorts, and mainly Ivey's sidekick/companion that helped him win $9.6 million at the baccarat tables in 2012.

The Gemaco cards
The Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa admitted (in a response to a countersuit that Ivey filed in the past) that the playing cards used in the controversial lawsuit had been destroyed, explaining that this is a common practice done in casinos. Playing cards utilized in casino operations are regularly destroyed or disposed of in different ways. The used card decks can either be given to customers, sold in their in-house gift shops, or donated to support charities and worthy causes.

The countersuit as filed by Ivey is that he and Chen Yin Sun cannot properly defend themselves when the playing cards in question have been destroyed. However, the Borgata reasoned that destroying the cards is a common practice done in casinos and that the playing cards used were most likely gone (either destroyed or disposed of) before they first became aware of the edge sorting scheme.

What now?
The most recent news about this topic was that Borgata emerged triumphant in the case, and Phil Ivey had to find a way to gather $10.1 million right after a judge came to a decision that Phil Ivey and his co-conspirator Chen Yin Sun had tricked the casino and illegally won the money.

On the other hand, Ivey strongly believes he has done nothing illegal, and points out he only outwitted the casino and it was their fault for allowing it to happen. After what seemed like utter defeat, Ivey decided to take the case all the way up to the US Third Circuit Court of Appeal; however, he will have to wait for any development on this as Borgata is still busy with settling their separate dispute with the Gemaco company.

Derived from a classic analytical deduction, the lawyers representing the Borgata casino deemed that if the imperfections on the playing cards of Gemaco were not there in the first place, then Chen Yin Sun would have never been able to use her edge sorting technique, and therefore Ivey would not have won any money at all from that - which highly makes sense.

In case the judge also agreed that Gemaco was at fault here, would that mean that the card manufacturing company would have to repay the Borgata and Ivey is off the hook?

The legal team representing Gemaco John Brennan said that last week they filed to the court a "Responding Statement of Uncontested Material Facts" and an interesting part of it was number 15. The writing on number 15 focused on a statement that Chen Yin Sun said in court, that she can do edge sorting even when the Gemaco's cards are not being used, which means that The Borgata (Atlantic City) and the Crockford's (London) cases could not have been her first times doing the card flaw-identifying technique.

Point number 15 said, "Sun confirmed that she can identify imperfections with any cards, regardless of who manufactures them. Sun further testified that the card manufacturer is irrelevant and that she is able to gain advantage with any card and can pick up imperfections in almost all instances."

The file also suggests that the Gemaco cards have met the standard of imperfection (up to 1/32nd of an inch) as set by the governing body.

If this is true, does this mean Gemaco is no longer obligated to pay, and if so, will that imply that Sun has unintentionally screwed up her partner with this statement of hers?

Source: https://calvinayre.com/2017/09/12/casino/sun-admits-gemaco-card-imperfections-irrelevant-borgata-case/
http://www.pokerupdate.com/news/law-and-legislation/08173-borgata-admits-destroying-playing-cards-in-phil-ivey-case/

 


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13 comments for "‘The Queen of Sorts’ says imperfections of Gemaco cards are irrelevant in Borgata case"

 doubletop7779/15/2017 7:34:07 AM GMT
This case keeps rumbling on and we are no closer to a verdict. I think that the casino has acted very shabbily and Phil Ivey simply outwitted them and exploited a flaw in the system
 CALICUL9/15/2017 8:02:17 AM GMT
If I were a judge i would win the case for the two players Phil Ivey and Chen Yin Sun because it is not their fault. They came to play in the casino and playing with Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa cards from Gemaco. The guilty is the casino because he did not notice the imperfections of cards and players must remain with the money.
 pochui9/15/2017 11:31:12 AM GMT
well fcuk yeah, the longer this case drags on the more I have the feeling that mr. ivey is going to be screwed majestically here and may even end up losing some of this not so hard earned dollaros in the process. another example of the classic line that the house always wins.
 shokaku9/15/2017 2:37:15 PM GMT
Not much meat on that bone. A lot of assumptions, but no real news in this article. We have to wait for the rulings of the higher courts, but i have my doubts, if they will be different from the ones already made.
 pajalnick9/15/2017 4:57:40 PM GMT
this situation of course makes me angry .... if the casino can not properly manage their affairs and admit such situations, it seems to me that the casino itself is to blame ... and if you could win a lot of money then of course you should not disclose the secret of winning. ... in the end, such garbage
 Mober9/15/2017 6:36:42 PM GMT
She stated that the specific brand was not the one that game them the advantage?
Cause she can do that with any deck?
And how that can be helpful for their case?
The only thing she managed to do with the "bragging" was to probably, get them banned from
more casinos, in the future.
 damosk9/15/2017 8:00:01 PM GMT
I was only reading this morning about how people who comment on social media, forums etc about active and ongoing court cases, can lead themselves to getting into very big trouble. So the only thing I have to say on this is I await the outcome to see what the court thinks of this case. Until then!!!!!!!!!!!!! Confused
 bowie19849/15/2017 11:05:11 PM GMT
Posted by doubletop777:
I think that the casino has acted very shabbily and Phil Ivey simply outwitted them and exploited a flaw in the system

If you need to evaluate 1/32nd of an inch or smaller imperfections to outwit the casino then that is not a flaw in their system simply you are just a goddamn freak.
 Tony_MON7ANA9/17/2017 2:12:36 PM GMT
How long has Ivey been fighting? The longer the case goes on without a settlement, the more attorney fees mount. A retainer and court fees could easily exceed a couple of million dollars by the time the case gets resolved.
 shokaku9/17/2017 2:43:10 PM GMT
But we are talking about winnings in the 10 million dollar range here. So it is no surprise to me, that the battle in the courts continues, even after the first ruling. It is still +ev to keep the thing going.
 Mober9/17/2017 7:23:30 PM GMT
Depends on the fees of the lawyers.
The longer a trial goes the more expenses it has.
And i honestly, dont see that as +ev.
How can you? they have already lost one trial which means, already they have paid,
a hefty amount there.
And in most case scenarios, the follow up ends in the same ruling.
 CALICUL9/20/2017 8:04:34 AM GMT
Posted by Mober:
Depends on the fees of the lawyers.
The longer a trial goes the more expenses it has.
And i honestly, dont see that as +ev.
How can you? they have already lost one trial which means, already they have paid,
a hefty amount there.
And in most case scenarios, the follow up ends in the same ruling.


It seems like these professional poker players will lose this process. I think they are not guilty. Guilt is the casino but unfortunately for Phil Ivey and Chen Yin Sun it will not matter if they lose in the end this process. The shame of this casino should be penalized for what he is doing.
 Mober9/21/2017 9:20:34 PM GMT
It depends how you see the whole thing.
It is an exploit after all no matter what.
Take a look at every site, a gaming one, a gambling one.

Once you have started using an exploit, you get banned that simple.

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