There are many that would agree Phil Hellmuth is the G.O.A.T. of the World Series of Poker (WSOP), but one person says otherwise.
Bryn Kenney, who holds the record for live tournament cashes at $67 million, appeared on the Digital Social Hour Podcast with Sean Kelly. The New York-based poker pro discussed a handful of topics, including losing $3.5 million, drama in the world of poker, and the P[...] Read more » Bryn Kenney says Phil Hellmuth is just a Minor League Poker Player
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Kenedy is a great player, he has millions of dollars in winnings playing at the highest level in large tournaments, it is an authorized word to talk about great poker games, so what he is saying is the truth.
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I have respect for Phil Hellmuth if nothing else... he is on the scene since i think 1989 when he win his first wsop bracelet or even win main even i don't know correct. He is in the scene all these years. There was allot of players who were like great and where are they now? He is still here. And would like to see if Kenny would last that long.
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It is true that Helmuth struggled to win against the big poker players at high stakes at wsop or anywhere else . For example in high stakes cash games in TV poker shows in the past you could notice it , how easily he lost big amounts of money , how much light and loose he played against other players . He was trying to pretend that he was just playing for fun , not seriously , but the truth is that he couldn't play better . Many funny hands of him there are at you tube , hands to laugh with )))
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You have to keep up with the changes in poker and generally . Some Old poker stars seem to have stacked in the past , to their former glory , to whet they knew for the game . No evolution . Now many new guys come and play gto , with solvers and AI programmes They have taken the game to the next level , the final level , they have solved NLH . Helmuth struggles to keep up , to play gto . So yeah , he is not the best poker player in terms of skill and poker knowledge , that's for sure .
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That's right, they are two different times, but we know that now poker is more competitive, before it was not, now there are many study tools, schools, theories anywhere to study and learn every day in this game as complex as poker. ppoker.
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if Phil was a weak player he doesn't win those bracelets, but he really focuses on what he likes, not on the games that Bryn Kenney plays more. You cannot be a minor player with 18 bracelets and the number of players was not 50 or 60 at the tournament, last year's had 642 and there are a lot of professionals in every game. Phil remains a very good player at what he prefers and together with the other games, it's harder for us to make a top with the other great players.
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That's right, it is very difficult to make a top to know who is the best poker player, sometimes they classify it by player's earnings, the number of bracelets, we don't know if that is really correct, but it is very difficult, there are many good players in the world.
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For example, Ivey is a great player, I always see him playing expensive poker tournaments, but he seems to me or is playing very conservative, he has a very passive game, I hope he can be more competitive, he has won many bracelets years ago, but now he is more complicated.
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I give you the example of Ivey so that you know that not all high-risk players have the level to play against the best, sometimes playing high does not guarantee you being a good player, you have to prove it and win to be more competitive.
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Hellmuth was promoted during his career at the tables , he was pushed to become what he is today . He has being given a lot of money , free money to gamble by sponsors and poker rooms . He became a star of poker , an ambassador of poker . So he has manu bullets for every tourney , so its easier for him to accomplish a win and gain a bracelet . But he is not that good . Not saying he is bad , just saying he is not that good as he believes or as some media brainwash us to believe
He plays with strategy . This strategy gave him most of his bracelets . He chooses what to play , small players field , not very high buy ins and high rollers , play against as many recreational not serious players as possible
In cash games streamed on tv , on some tv shows , he is shown to lose money very fast and in silly hands . On wsop also there are such hands that have been filmed . He cannot play gto like dome other high stakes poker sharks who fong have as many sponsors as helmuth does have . He cannot have satisfactory win rate against most high rollers , against some poker players of the new generation that play gto and use all those solvers and programmes to study and solve the game
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I used to like him cursing everyone , making fun of their gameplay but not anymore . Silly childish behavior that made him famous . Most people were focusing on this behavior , not his actual way of playing poker . Also they focus on the total number of bracelets , no to how he got them or in what games or if he is so good as he claims to be . He has most brackets in wsop , so what does this mean , that he is the best ? I don't think so
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it's not easy to win so many bracelets, but every professional player can tell his opinion about Phil. Bryn is a poker player based on other types, that's why he thinks Phil is just a minor league poker player.
