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Bryn Kenney says Phil Hellmuth is just a Minor League Poker Player

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Posted on 07 October 2024 by "T".

There are many that would agree Phil Hellmuth is the G.O.A.T. of the World Series of Poker (WSOP), but one person says otherwise.

Bryn Kenney, who holds the record for live tournament cashes at $67 million, appeared on the Digital Social Hour Podcast with Sean Kelly. The New York-based poker pro discussed a handful of topics, including losing $3.5 million, drama in the world of poker, and the Poker Hall of Fame.

The host also asked Kenney about the Poker Brat's stature within the poker world, and his harsh answer would trigger one of poker's most popular players ever.

Kenney disses the Poker Brat

Phil Hellmuth holds an impressive record with 17 WSOP bracelets. Phil Ivey is in a distant second place at 11, while Erik Seidel, Johnny Chan and Doyle Brunson are the only others to have reached double digits. However, Kenney claims he doesn't appear to be all that impressed.

"A lot of people label Hellmuth as the ‘Tournament G.O.A.T.,' but I'd love to hear your opinion. Because he doesn't really play in the higher stakes tournaments like you do," Kelly said.

At first, Kenney said that Hellmuth is the "biggest winning WSOP player", which is hard to contest given that Hellmuth holds the record for the most WSOP bracelets won and final table appearances by a huge margin.

Kenney described Hellmuth's WSOP performance, "He has his career, which is impressive, too."

But that is where the compliments ended. He went on to bash the 1989 world champ's performance at the highest stakes.

Kenney argues, "He's played some high rollers and hasn't really fared very well in them, and you know, when I think about who are the best players in poker, if you're not competing at the highest level, you can't really be in contention for it."

Kenney then suggested that the Poker Brat could be "the head of some sub-category that exists somewhere else," strongly implying that Hellmuth may simply be the best WSOP player, but not an overall G.O.A.T. He then pointed out Hellmuth's supposed inability to thrive when competing in the "small fields with the best players."

"If you're playing against mostly amateur players at the World Series, you're great at beating the amateur players. It's like you could be the King of Triple A," Kenney said.

The highest level of pro baseball in the world is Major League Baseball (MLB), while the level one notch below is AAA Minor League Baseball (MiLB). Kenney is implying that Hellmuth is more suited for AAA, although the WSOP is poker's equivalent to baseball's World Series or the Super Bowl (NFL), at least in terms of prestige within the game.

Hellmuth fires Back

Hellmuth fired back at Kenney's criticism, and responded to a video clip from the Digital Social Hour Podcast.


"To me the @WSOP (World Series of Poker) is the "big leagues." Always has been, always will be. It's aggravating to me when people lie about me and my legacy. For the record, I am winning over $1.5M in "High Rollers." (Easy to confirm this on HendonMob).

You said I wouldn't play you heads up? Where were you I challenged the entire world to a $1.6M heads up challenge on "High Stakes Duel?" - Hellmuth tweeted.

Hellmuth dominated High Stakes Duel, a previous heads-up poker show on PokerGO, for a couple of years. He won his first six matches - three against Antonio Esfandiari and three against Daniel Negreanu - for a total of $700,000 in profit.

The Poker Hall of Famer then defeated Nick Wright in the first round of High Stakes Duel III before splitting matches against Tom Dwan. He then defeated Scott Seiver in the $800,000 round before losing to Jason Koon for $1.6 million. Hellmuth went 9-2 overall on the show, which used a sit-n-go style heads-up no-limit hold'em format.

Hellmuth also won the 64-player NBC Heads-Up Poker Championship in 2005, and in the show's final season finished runner-up to Mike Matusow in 2013. The poker icon has over $30 million in overall live tournament cashes, not even half of Kenney's results ($67 million). But of course, other than The Hendon Mob cashes, there are more things to consider when it comes to an overall evaluation of a poker player.

Where does Phil Hellmuth rank to you? Is he the G.O.A.T. because of his WSOP record, or is Bryn Kenney's views spot on? Let us know what you think in the comments below!

Source: https://www.pokernews.com/news/2024/10/bryn-kenney-disses-poker-great-phil-hellmuth-47082.htm


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 dule-vu13/10/2024 05:11:13 GMT
This old videos are good for watch! When he tilt, he cant seat and that he talk like crazy!
 antonis32115/10/2024 02:31:51 GMT
You have to keep up with the changes in poker and generally .
Some Old poker stars seem to have stacked in the past , to their former glory , to whet they knew for the game . No evolution .
Now many new guys come and play gto , with solvers and AI programmes
They have taken the game to the next level , the final level , they have solved NLH .
Helmuth struggles to keep up , to play gto .
So yeah , he is not the best poker player in terms of skill and poker knowledge , that's for sure .
 dule-vu15/10/2024 05:36:50 GMT
You cant compare time when he started with poker and today! Its like period with pele and mersi!
 geseco1215/10/2024 16:35:52 GMT
That's right, they are two different times, but we know that now poker is more competitive, before it was not, now there are many study tools, schools, theories anywhere to study and learn every day in this game as complex as poker. ppoker.
 CALICUL15/10/2024 16:53:17 GMT
if Phil was a weak player he doesn't win those bracelets, but he really focuses on what he likes, not on the games that Bryn Kenney plays more. You cannot be a minor player with 18 bracelets and the number of players was not 50 or 60 at the tournament, last year's had 642 and there are a lot of professionals in every game. Phil remains a very good player at what he prefers and together with the other games, it's harder for us to make a top with the other great players.
 geseco1216/10/2024 20:55:51 GMT
That's right, it is very difficult to make a top to know who is the best poker player, sometimes they classify it by player's earnings, the number of bracelets, we don't know if that is really correct, but it is very difficult, there are many good players in the world.
 dule-vu16/10/2024 20:56:13 GMT
Every period is different, so when he started to play and won bracelets, it was another story! Its hard to say!
 geseco1218/10/2024 02:11:00 GMT
For example, Ivey is a great player, I always see him playing expensive poker tournaments, but he seems to me or is playing very conservative, he has a very passive game, I hope he can be more competitive, he has won many bracelets years ago, but now he is more complicated.
 dule-vu18/10/2024 05:26:03 GMT
Its about this two player, more about hellmuth, not about ivey! What ivey have with this news?
 geseco1219/10/2024 23:51:00 GMT
I give you the example of Ivey so that you know that not all high-risk players have the level to play against the best, sometimes playing high does not guarantee you being a good player, you have to prove it and win to be more competitive.
 dule-vu19/10/2024 23:57:09 GMT
It has nothing with hellmuth, so you missed point as always!
 antonis32120/10/2024 09:42:20 GMT
Hellmuth was promoted during his career at the tables , he was pushed to become what he is today . He has being given a lot of money , free money to gamble by sponsors and poker rooms . He became a star of poker , an ambassador of poker . So he has manu bullets for every tourney , so its easier for him to accomplish a win and gain a bracelet . But he is not that good .
Not saying he is bad , just saying he is not that good as he believes or as some media brainwash us to believe

He plays with strategy . This strategy gave him most of his bracelets . He chooses what to play , small players field , not very high buy ins and high rollers , play against as many recreational not serious players as possible

In cash games streamed on tv , on some tv shows , he is shown to lose money very fast and in silly hands . On wsop also there are such hands that have been filmed . He cannot play gto like dome other high stakes poker sharks who fong have as many sponsors as helmuth does have . He cannot have satisfactory win rate against most high rollers , against some poker players of the new generation that play gto and use all those solvers and programmes to study and solve the game
 dule-vu20/10/2024 09:44:56 GMT
He was in right time on right place!
 antonis32123/10/2024 17:28:35 GMT
I used to like him cursing everyone , making fun of their gameplay but not anymore . Silly childish behavior that made him famous . Most people were focusing on this behavior , not his actual way of playing poker . Also they focus on the total number of bracelets , no to how he got them or in what games or if he is so good as he claims to be . He has most brackets in wsop , so what does this mean , that he is the best ? I don't think so
 CALICUL23/10/2024 17:35:15 GMT
it's not easy to win so many bracelets, but every professional player can tell his opinion about Phil. Bryn is a poker player based on other types, that's why he thinks Phil is just a minor league poker player.
 geseco1226/10/2024 22:49:55 GMT
Phil Hellmuth could be a good player but in the minor leagues, in the major leagues I think he is not, although he has won many bracelets that does not make him better, you have to compete with the best to know who is the best.
 CALICUL26/10/2024 23:03:18 GMT
He could try, but his winnings and his bracelets are unmatched by anyone in the major leagues or whatever. He outranks these players in this list and they don't enjoy the popularity and the money he has. Few have surpassed Phil in winnings.
 geseco1228/10/2024 01:26:32 GMT
In winnings and bracelets I think Phil Hellmuth has the lead, but if he played against the great players from around the world, that is always where he would draw a conclusion about how good he is at playing high-level poker, everyone will have their opinions.
 dule-vu28/10/2024 01:56:31 GMT
Nothing new to say!
 geseco1229/10/2024 04:01:15 GMT
Sometimes we think we are the best until one of the big games comes along and tells you the truth about where you stand. I hope Phil can see this as an internal challenge and play big tournaments and show that he can also compete with the best in the world.
 dule-vu29/10/2024 06:11:30 GMT
Even he is 60 years old, he can still play poker on high level!
 geseco1230/10/2024 04:51:07 GMT
Of course yes, and this should be a motivation for him and demonstrate in the big leagues, there will be a face to face with Kenedy, it would be great to see the two of them play in a head to head game of high level poker, and there they get the You doubt who is better.
 dule-vu30/10/2024 06:10:10 GMT
We are still on phil hellmuth...
 Wizard8902/11/2024 23:59:13 GMT
In my opinion, Kenney is probably the best poker player today being the one with the most profits in tournaments worldwide.
However, I think that he is wrong in this comment since the WSOP Series is the most prestigious and important event that any poker player in the world, whether professional or recreational, would like to attend and therefore I consider that the player who has been capable of lifting such a trophy more times unlike his rivals is the G.O.A.T.
 CALICUL03/11/2024 00:47:54 GMT
i would love to see a few games with both players and how well they play at the poker table. It would really be something very interesting for us and the best of 11 or 15 games, could bring a lot of people to watch a ''duel'' between them.

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