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Ok guys so i think we can all healp each other out by taking advice and giving of course! forums is a great training ground for many that cant afford coaching ect, hopefully people will post thier hand historys and talk thru hands ect and then everyone can 'chip in' Big Smile and tell us thier views to change peoples approach to a game or a hand. i will start with this one its a old one but i love it for many many reasons.

Ok so heres the situation, 24 man SnG over at PKR it was, this was bubble play for the FT place,
Now the prev hand i had stole blinds with AQ preflop with a 4x raise so i go this hand,

Table #17866282 - Tournament #10977871 Table #1
Starting Hand #868328984
Start time of hand: 04 Jul 2009 12:07:54
Last Hand #868328289
Game Type: HOLD'EM
Limit Type: NO LIMIT
Table Type: TOURNAMENT
Money Type: TOURNAMENT CHIPS
Blinds are now $75/$150
Button is at seat 1
Seat 1: icarus1626 - $3,405 << no info just joined table
Seat 2: gaztheyorkie - $1,980
Seat 4: AussieSnypa - $2,300 <<<UBER AGGRO
Seat 5: MissKitten81 - $3,145 << semi tight
Moving Button to seat 2
AussieSnypa posts small blind ($75)
MissKitten81 posts big blind ($150)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [7h 7s] to gaztheyorkie << yay!
icarus1626 folds
gaztheyorkie calls $150 << ok so PP here i decide to call a raise up to $600 any higher im commited
AussieSnypa folds
MissKitten81 checks << good stuff
icarus1626 bounces his chip.
Dealing Flop [Ad 7d Ah] <<< WOW nice one
MissKitten81 bets $150 << bluff? becuase she checks on BB
gaztheyorkie calls $150<< i have FH lets see where it goes
icarus1626 spreads his chips.
Dealing Turn 6 of clubs << ok
icarus1626 performs his twirl.
MissKitten81 bets $300 << ok im now pretty sure she has an Ace
gaztheyorkie calls $300
Dealing River 4 of hearts <<< no threat
MissKitten81 bets $450 <<< yep she has a set
gaztheyorkie says good game!
gaztheyorkie raises to $1,380 (all-in) << lets get max value here
MissKitten81 calls $1,380
gaztheyorkie shows [7h 7s]
MissKitten81 shows [4s As]
gaztheyorkie has Full House, 7s over Aces
MissKitten81 has Full House, Aces over 4s
MissKitten81 wins $4,035 with: Full House, Aces over 4s <<<LOL
Seat 1: icarus1626 - $3,405
Seat 2: gaztheyorkie - $0
Seat 4: AussieSnypa - $2,225
Seat 5: MissKitten81 - $5,200
End Of Hand #868328984

Ok so yep i had her on an ace but wasnt sure about the kicker i should have know that it would be weak by the check pre flop.

Now heres the thing i could have gone all in on the flop but would you lay down a set to an all in? course you wouldn't i limped pre flop so i didnt appear to have a hand if it was the other way round im insta calling so all the chips would have gone in anyway.

the only think i could have done in my opinion is 1. fold pre 2. raise pre 3. flat call the river

ok tell me how you would have played out this hand as each card comes and why

     
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my 2 cent:

fold or raise pre; i dont like the limp. why? its just so obvious what you try to do there (beside the fact that you dont get the odds to setmine, hence to the stacksizes imo) and against a raise or shove you will very often have to give up your hand. also it makes opponent define his hand.

as played: raise the flop and shove the turn IMO. why? you get a lot of value from an ace like that. also i dont like giving free cards. omaha habbit Blink


EDIT for the whys

Edited by umarplus (28 September 2009 @ 19:41 GMT)


     
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Yer raise pre.
Then on flop, well your gonna lose id guess shes gonna call but at least she might think you got a better kicker, re-raise on flop, now your(would be) commiting your self so may as well just put it all in there. No one is folding IMO.
unlucky.

     
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Posted by B1gfoot:

Then on flop, well your gonna lose id guess shes gonna call but at least she might think you got a better kicker, re-raise on flop, now your(would be) commiting your self so may as well just put it all in there.


as played, betting the flop allin seems a bit extreme to me. that would be a 3times pot bet, right? Confused

and we do want her to stick around i think. i would be happy to commit my stack on that flop with 77.

     
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No cause im raiseng pre.

     
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Posted by B1gfoot:
No cause im raiseng pre.


lol yeah me too (considering the bubble situation might as well have been a fold though. i mean, what do i want with 7s postflop, where i am most likely out of position?)

as played my shove would have come on the turn (if opponent wouldnt have pushed the flop anyways)

     
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Yer with bubble, forgot about that, could fold or go agro against mrs tight. id probbably opt for the latter.

     
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77 on the button with 13BB in the stack. A halfway tight player in the big blind. This is a raise all the time. With your low stack i would even push against most players.

     
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ok so did anyone see what i had done in the prev hand? becuase i stole the blinds effectivly with AIR i felt a raise pre would have got a call and if it was Axx i wouldnt know where i stood on the flop this and my actually odds of hitting a set or better on the flop i felt safer limping against the SEMI tight player and also with agrro player yet to play/fold

     
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wtf? Confused

One does not "steal" the blinds with AQ. That is a strong hand. Even stronger if the table is only 4-handed. I guess you play a bit to tight.

     
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also we dont mind getting called by Ax when we hold a pair of 7s.

     
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lol ok im a nit

     
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First u steal with AQ? Tongue Dont get u sry?

Ok, with these blinds and that stack (shortest on table) i wud push or fold here and in this case definitly push.

     
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Ok so AQ AK AJ is NOT a made hand IMO ok its a calling/preflop raise (blind stealing) hand but without hitting the board 22 is beating you. therefore i class it as a stealing hand

     
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Posted by gaztheyorkie:
Ok so AQ AK AJ is NOT a made hand IMO ok its a calling/preflop raise (blind stealing) hand but without hitting the board 22 is beating you. therefore i class it as a stealing hand


yes AK is high card ace. still it has a big winning chance. and even more important: you dominate hands like AT or KQ. your pair of deuces never dominates anything...

     
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Ahhh ok....

Well u steal with bad cards, u get reraised u fold, in this case u dont steal with AQ u raise if u get reraised u problably call so not steal.

     
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You can't wait for aces with just 13BB. So you have to play those lousy AK type of hands from time to time. With those you are ahead of all unpaired hands, flip against most pairs and are a dog only to AA and KK.

     
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I can't believe you said yay when you saw the 7s. middle pairs are horrible hands to play around the bubble. When you raise on the button, many players will see a steal and this is not the kind of a hand you can call a raise with. I think the best play is to fold pre-flop cos even though you're probly winning, you could be putting your whole tourney on the line even against 10 4. Blinds aren't that huge yet so going all in is a mistake imo.

However, I probly wouldn't have followed my own advice and once you get to that flop, there really is no escape. Chips are going in and either player will call at any stage. So ul.

I also agree that AQ is not stealing. I would rather raise with AJ, AK, AQ than 77. Hell I'd rather raise with 10J suited than 77.

     
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raise pre flop.

even assuming the limp preflop, you shud raise the flop. either he is bluffing and you will take down the pot or he has a 3outer. having said that i dont mind your play except for the limp

     
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For me it is an easy push pre flop.

     
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