How you usually play a starting hand of AA preflop?
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i personally dont mess around with pok.AA,i usually raise 5 times the bb,i have been beat so many times slow playing them,that i dont no more.i like to run the card chasers out
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Posted by awood88: Omg I can't believe what just happened. AA utg with blinds 15 + 30 I raise to 75. I get about six callers including the blinds (absolute nightmare to go the flop seven handed with AA). Flop is 10 J 2 rainbow which is worrying as players last to call may have done so with 10 J but I can't give players with 10s and 2s a chance to hit second pair so I make a pot sized bet. One player (a slightly bigger stack) goes all in and I think s**t but there's no way I can fold as he could easily have KJ. Player on the button calls and of course so do I. First guy shows J 7, button shows only flipping AA. River comes, yes you've guessed it a Jack.
As far as I see I did nothing wrong, but you would have thought the idiot in last position should have raised preflop to get rid of J 7 and the likes. I mean he had one UTG raiser showing strength and three callers and he chooses to call to get the big blind committed. What a bad way to play AA preflop.
That is exactly how NOT to play AA.
Either raise bigger preflop. 2 1/2 BB will be not enough at such low blinds to keep loose players out -> a lot of callers
Or slow down post flop. You have one pair in a multiway pot and only put in 2 1/2 BB pre flop. Don't go broke here.
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Posted by PorscheGT: all in after flop, and nice raise on preflop to make sure that no 36 gonna check
hi.sorry thats not so smart to play by that rule only! NO MATTER WHAT YOU CANT TELL TO GO ALL IN BEFORE THE FLOP! There is so many ways that aa can be/or get to a very weak hand when just the flop is out on the table! Listen ,if you have aa and raise and lets just say one is calling and the flop is 10,j,q then i would think twice or more before going all in,hehe My point is that aa is the best hand to start with, BUT ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN!
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Posted by B1gfoot: I think fcumred can quite safely say once again your pre-flop bet was not big enough. And his explination of why is good, ass for the guy in position nt raising, well is that the reason you lost? Are you blaiming someone else, what if he didnt have AA and folded? you still got a chit load of players in the pot due to your bad raise. If its not yor normall raise PPL might think hes got AA lets crack this guy, and you give them good odds to take a shoot.
I never said I played perfectly and I'm not blaming the other AA exactly. I still would have lost due to the Jack on the river. Not much I can do about it. But there is no denying that the other AA played it worse than me.
I stand by my raise UTG. I would have made the same raise with AQ or 10 10. It's early in the game and I don't see the point in throwing away the opportunity. Most of my experiences tell me raising 4 big blinds here, this early as fcumred said to 150 would result in everyone except AK AQ or high pair folding so in most situations I would only get the blinds. But this was bwinpoker and things are a little different. @ shokaku, yes AA is just a pair here and I already said I was concerned but given that these players are loose callers, surely I should try and end the hand asap. The guy with top pair goes all in which is what I want and there's no way I should fold here. The buy-in was low and I wasn't too bothered about busting out.
I posted this hand to demonstrate how not to play AA not how to. Imo my play was neither good nor bad but the other guy with AA demonstrated the worst way to play AA: calling late position with four callers.
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Well I hope you can take something from it, but you make a point saying " I don't see the point in throwing away the opportunity" but you did, 1 by letting them in and 2 for calling a stupid bet that could KO you, you seamd to be more concernd with draws but think of the sets that could easiby be there and 2 pairs, got to learn to fold AA as you invested little its an easy fold. I know what you are saying about the outher guy but its not him posting. Sorry but your play was nothing but bad. Forget how bad outher PPL play if you suck out to 1 bad player youll beat 10. Better luck next time.
Going all in preflop isn't the best way to go usually (unless u have a table with several hyper aggressive types who call/raise anything). What I do with them depends on position ,table image and type of villians I'm up against. No matter what, I'll raise at least 4x BB. I'm really looking to see what the flop looks like and I hate to be all in just to see the flop come up that is not in my favor.
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if i'm in the mood i play it slowly at preflop, hopping that someone after me will raise and i can check-raise him then, hopping for another raise from him
Posted by awood88: Omg I can't believe what just happened. AA utg with blinds 15 + 30 I raise to 75. I get about six callers including the blinds (absolute nightmare to go the flop seven handed with AA). Flop is 10 J 2 rainbow which is worrying as players last to call may have done so with 10 J but I can't give players with 10s and 2s a chance to hit second pair so I make a pot sized bet. One player (a slightly bigger stack) goes all in and I think s**t but there's no way I can fold as he could easily have KJ. Player on the button calls and of course so do I. First guy shows J 7, button shows only flipping AA. River comes, yes you've guessed it a Jack.
As far as I see I did nothing wrong, but you would have thought the idiot in last position should have raised preflop to get rid of J 7 and the likes. I mean he had one UTG raiser showing strength and three callers and he chooses to call to get the big blind committed. What a bad way to play AA preflop.
I can tell you exactly where you went wrong.
Your pre flop raise was no where near big enougn..
At the early stages of a game you should be raising at least 4 times the big blind, plus one extra for each limper.
So if you are in late position and three people have limped you shold be raising 7 x BB which iis 210..
You have to think what pot odds you are giving people by raising.. If you only raised 75 chips then you are giving people lovely odds to call.
Think of it this way
6 limpers x 30 = 180 blinds = 45 Your raise = 75
Total pot = 300.
You are offering them a chance to win 300 chips for an extra 45 chips. A return of 6-1 if they win
However you increase your raise
6 x limper x 30 = 180 blinds = 45 your raise = 210
Total pot = 435
They then have to put in an extra 180 to win 435. A return of 2-1 if they win.
when raising you need to make it unprofitable for them to call with weak hands.
You give me a chance at a 300 pot for 45 chips I'll take it every time. You give me a chance of a 500 pot but its going to cost me 300 chips to get it, I am seriously gonna rethink whether its worth it.
Why don't you read my post properly before posting idiot. I'm not going to carry on reading yours until you finish reading mine. I was UTG. There were two people with AA in the hand. I would never just call or make such a pathetic raise in late position. I raised to 75 cos if I wanted action. I didn't want to scare players with A rag off but I didn't want to give the big blind reason to call with anything, which he wouldn't have if there wasn't at least three callers but of course with five he has odds to call with 5 6 etc
Your pre flop raise was not big enough..
How difficult is that to understand ?
75 chips UTG.. yeah thats really gonna scare them away..
You said you raised small because you wanted action.. well you got it, and you lost...
You said you didnt do anything wrong. Well you did.. if you are too dumb to see what you did wrong hten perhaps you should go back to the drawing board.
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Posted by awood88: [QUOTE]Posted by B1gfoot: Imo my play was neither good nor bad but the other guy with AA demonstrated the worst way to play AA: calling late position with four callers.
It was bad play... end of story..
Any poker book you ever read will tell you to raise bigger UTG to drive out the marginal hand.
Pathetic girly raises out of position with AA will lead to suck outs..
The reason people play garbage is because idiots who dont know how to play AA properly let them suck out, and as proven here, that player called because he was allowed in by poor pre flop play by you. You played it about as bad as you possibly could play it...
Posted by JimmiNS: Hi all! I voted "Bet as much as possible to see the fllop" AND THATS THE RIGHT THING TO DO WITH AA! BUT if you know there is a donk on the tabble youre playing on it can be very tricky! I mean,if there is a player that dont know how to play "right"! He call you, For example the flop is 3,6,k offsuited! The donk calls! Turncard is 7! The donk call or raise/all in on the river, either because he doesnt know better or because he just is stupid! River card is maybe 2! You think your han is the strongest, but it isnt anymore! The donk win the pot with 2 pairs. Lets just say he have pair 7 & pair 3! Ofcourse this will not happen when playing a very expensive tournament/sitngo or on high cash tabbles! BUT BEWARE OFF THE DONKS GUYS! Hehe, there are so many of them!
i had aces 15 times in before i won with them .. I went allin, i let others put me allin and sloplayed them to lose 15 times..but in a more realistic game in early position i'd play 3 times the blind, in later position with a few callers i would bet pot. You can't sloplay online the worst possible thing to happen will. fulltilt is bad for this
I usually take some risks to try to catch as more as possible; call after flop ( better if someone raise ) and after flop I go all in. Sometimes, depending on the kind of game and of my situation in tournament or in sitngo, I go all in preflop. Absolutely don't like to slowplay: too many chances to be cracked
I'm sitting at a table(10/20c), I have about 20 one donkey raise or go all in almost every hand, with bs cards. Then I get AA, he raises, I reraise all in, donkey calls. He shows his cards: 2- 7 Flop is 2-2-7 turn/river no help
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I always bet and bet high , i lost much times because i wanted to check to get some players into play... It's better to raise and got only blinds then not raise and loose much after the floop thinking you have best pair possible.
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I think you need to get as much in the pot as you think others will call, that said you (I) still only look for one caller so if it looks like its gonna be a multi way pot (say 2 /3 callers to a raise) I will push all in as AA in multi way pots looses its edge. you do want to be heads up ie only one other player in the pot. I have tried to slow play AA but it can get messy defo when your own slow play gets you into trouble like when they catch there straight on the river as youve been checking. AGhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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if your table is aggressive and you are in early position you may raise 4 times BB if your table is tight, you may raise 10 BB or smth. else and hope that there are a good hand and maybe a all-in from the opponent, if he just raise, then go all-in
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well i dont know. not saying he played it right because obviously 75 isnt a big enough bet. But he did get the guy all in with 5 outs and a backdoor after the flop right? =) seems to me like fantastic offs
Posted by doomdy: I never ever slowplay AA, last time i did that was more then 1 year ago. I have difficulties laydown AA on the flop/turn/river when i am beat, i can do it, but hate it
He is right! Always raise preflop and try to go all in preflop
thats not so smart to play by that rule only! NO MATTER WHAT YOU CANT TELL TO GO ALL IN BEFORE THE FLOP! There is so many ways that aa can be/or get to a very weak hand when just the flop is out on the table! Listen ,if you have aa and raise and lets just say one is calling and the flop is 10,j,q then i would think twice or more before going all in,hehe 
My point is that aa is the best hand to start with, BUT ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN! 
Ofcourse this will not happen when playing a very expensive tournament/sitngo or on high cash tabbles! BUT BEWARE OFF THE DONKS GUYS! Hehe, there are so many of them! 
one donkey raise or go all in almost every hand, with bs cards. Then I get AA, he raises, I reraise all in, donkey calls. He shows his cards: 2- 7 
