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Well its low limit Cash thats hard with all the spews, but deffo please raise! preflop when u decide to play a hand, dont u think the [4J] guy wud have folded (you never know on these limits offcourse...). But deffo raise preflop when u play a hand else simply fold.
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IMO, you couldnt do anything against someone who calls flop with that and hits bottom pair on turn not to mention 2nd pair, maybe bet preflop would make some difference but I doubt that normal size bet would do it, I don`t know, never liked to play FH NLHE tables on PS, I think that I have played less than 100 or 200 hands on them total. I`m guessing that guy just sat at the table or rebuyed for $1.20.
Ok now I`m laughing, looks like guy is typical promo abuser that I mentioned in that iPoker rakeback change thread. His grades: PRF tightness= F (You are 100% tighter than optimal. Loosen up a lot! ) PRF aggression= F (You are 100% less aggressive than optimal. Be a lot more aggressive!) FLOP aggression= F (You are 100% less aggressive than optimal. Be a lot more aggressive!) TURN aggression= F (You are 100% less aggressive than optimal. Be a lot more aggressive!) RIVER aggression= F (You are 100% less aggressive than optimal. Be a lot more aggressive!) SHOWDOWN frequency= F (You showdown 100% less often than optimal. Do you ever showdown?)
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no that guy woulnt fold becase he was playing almost every given hand and anytime I raise preflop he calls whit any cards like Q2,J5 and so on,so he wouldnt fold that anyway,and had been lucky all the time....
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If your trying to learn poker forget the limp (imo), try playing TAG, when u have a good hand raise! depending ur position. Limp is so weak, other players will notice this.
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Sorry dont quite know were to start, its all wrong, pre-flop the flop turn and river. Id suggest you watch some poker and read a bit, keep this hand in mind, and when you find why its all wrong then go back to the tables. GL. @Predobar PTR makes me LOL all the time, take that site with a pinch of salt.
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I didn't like any of the streets as played. First, I wouldn't have playedf A9s from under the gun. It's just such a losing hand. If I play it, i don't limp it. In fact, forget about limping altogether, it sucks. On the flop, and with so many people in the hand, and in bad position, even though you have TPTK, jsut forget about the hand. It's very weak against so many people that are guaranteed to chase (it's 2NL) But if you do bet, you want to bet substantially more! You want to get people away from the pot. I'm not advocating for betting anyway Turn: no improvement, and there are already straights possible. Forget it River: ditto. More straights, FORGET IT
As I see it, U were sitting UTG2 holding A-9 suited and limped. U caught top pair on the flop and raised .06 into a pot of .10 cents. The turn did not improve your hand and the river definently weakened your hand strength. Here on the river u pushed with now a middle pair. With A-9 UTG2 u should fold most of the time, since u did decide to play it, raising 4x BB was the 1st thing to do rather than limping. This would have reduced players to the flop if not won the hand out right. On the flop, betting out to the pot size would've put pressure on villian as to whether to continue with Jack high or not. More aggression with betting will win u more hands in the long run. Playing A-9UTG tells me that u are probably a loose, call station type of player, refusing to be bluffed out of a hand as long os u caught any pair or chasing a draw.
Edited by psycokiller (02 January 2010 @ 18:02 GMT)
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Posted by teteban: First, I wouldn't have playedf A9s from under the gun. It's just such a losing hand. If I play it, i don't limp it. In fact, forget about limping altogether, it sucks.
So true +1
I rather raise my 68s then limp my 99, i really hate limping
well at these stakes, they play any hands , i spend more than the total of cash on that table in 1 hand through rake lol, joking
you carnt play poker at these such low peanut stakes, (reasons) every1 plays any cards you get no respect when raising you dont win much always donks busting you with 1 outer more of a headache to win grrrrrrr was this good play ,,, try moving a couple of stakes and your question might be worth answering and means somethink
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Posted by B1gfoot: Sorry dont quite know were to start, its all wrong, pre-flop the flop turn and river. Id suggest you watch some poker and read a bit, keep this hand in mind, and when you find why its all wrong then go back to the tables. GL. @Predobar PTR makes me LOL all the time, take that site with a pinch of salt.
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Posted by doomdy:
Posted by teteban: First, I wouldn't have playedf A9s from under the gun. It's just such a losing hand. If I play it, i don't limp it. In fact, forget about limping altogether, it sucks.
So true +1
I rather raise my 68s then limp my 99, i really hate limping
agreed. If you're thinking about limping you should be maybe thinking about folding.. You'd want a pretty good reason for limping.. like maybe if you had AA and you were pretty sure the agressive dude to your left was gonna raise it big and you were waiting to re-raise after a limp.. But basically, limping=troubles., You just have no read on anything (sb/bb in particular)
also, at nl4c i think it doesnt matter much about anything. There's no fancy lines the villains are taking, best way on those limits is just over bet your strong hands and fold everything else, no bluffs/levels.
