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Joined: Apr '09
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Ok, so you have the second best card in the hand for flush, you have 6 outs not counting flush outs and 15 outs total. The difference is enough to make you raise. I would. Others have low pairs, alone Aces, statistics say you are behind at flop but you have many probabilities of passing to front, once there are 9 cards which will give you the flush, and only the person who have the Ks in the hand can beat you, in case he also haves two spades or river bringing a fourth one. I would risk for it, normally thats what i do.
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Posted by shokaku: A lot of info is missing. Position? What type of players are with us in the hand? (Will they pay us off, if we hit our flush)
The price would be right, if we could see both cards.
i understand that you ask for more info but this is just a example situation like it happend about every minute in online poker and for that reason am i just interested in the opinion off other people . i have seen so much people going all in with a flush draw and not hitting that it was interesting enough for me to create a poll about this issue to have at least some idea about other peoples game . if i specified a single situation as you ask for than i will have maybe different answers and not the info that i would like to have .
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My quick oppnion on hands like this. OK, for me its raise or fold. If you call its obvious your on the flush draw and will get no action if it hits on turn, also if it missis your going to have to make anouther choice at a guess $10 so in all $16 invested on a draw. Now lets plug a leak and increase potential value, raise, now you have possable controll of the pot and If he goes for it(pushes more $ in) your out of the pot, if he does not then you are in controll,(or he might fold) now you can bluff or get your river hopefully for free, also now PPL should be more willing to put the draw option aside so might still play there A*. I made it short. Im sure you catch my drift. CALLING IS FOR NOOBS.
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Posted by B1gfoot: My quick oppnion on hands like this. OK, for me its raise or fold. If you call its obvious your on the flush draw and will get no action if it hits on turn, also if it missis your going to have to make anouther choice at a guess $10 so in all $16 invested on a draw. Now lets plug a leak and increase potential value, raise, now you have possable controll of the pot and If he goes for it(pushes more $ in) your out of the pot, if he does not then you are in controll,(or he might fold) now you can bluff or get your river hopefully for free, also now PPL should be more willing to put the draw option aside so might still play there A*. I made it short. Im sure you catch my drift. CALLING IS FOR NOOBS.
+1,but let me emphasize on NOT BETTING if you get called on your raise and do not hit a good card on the turn, just get a river card for free. And I think that out of position I would lean towards folding most of the time...
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Posted by B1gfoot: My quick oppnion on hands like this. OK, for me its raise or fold. If you call its obvious your on the flush draw and will get no action if it hits on turn, also if it missis your going to have to make anouther choice at a guess $10 so in all $16 invested on a draw. Now lets plug a leak and increase potential value, raise, now you have possable controll of the pot and If he goes for it(pushes more $ in) your out of the pot, if he does not then you are in controll,(or he might fold) now you can bluff or get your river hopefully for free, also now PPL should be more willing to put the draw option aside so might still play there A*. I made it short. Im sure you catch my drift. CALLING IS FOR NOOBS.
i did not think in such way yet and have to agree that a raise would be a good thing to do because you have a hugh possibility to have the river draw for free in that case .
