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Anyone else feel like they lose to fish a lot?  +1   
This month I've had several sessions where I seem to have donated stacks to huge (80+vpip) Fish with incredibly high Aggression Frequencies. I'm starting to wonder if maybe I'm adapting a bit Too much and calling some of their wacky 3barrels and Raises a bit lighter than I need to.....

     
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You can always play and call lighter but main thing is patience. They were probably the biggest fish in the game if they have 80 vpip. Make sure you play against them in position too. It always helps Smile

     
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Could be, but if youre not than there COULD be something weird going on. Forget that give me 1000000 hands and stuff. To those thinking that way one question, what are the odds for huge amount of bad beats occuring consecutively? Now back to you bosno.

Maybe you are playing more looser than you should, thats the most common mistake.
Could be just that you were not concentrated enough.
Could be that others were colluding, dont you ever think its not possible to happen to you.
Could be that software is rigged too and is giving otherwise losing player some incentives to continue to play on their site.

Most of the time cause for this is first or last possibility. I myself am in big dillema for last two weeks should I continue to pursue online poker thingie or switch to live games. In live games here I feel to exposed to collusion, maybe some tournaments in state lottery casinos. Don`t know big dillema.

P.S. Last section was much longer and more detailed Big Smile Tongue

     
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Posted by Predobar:
Could be, but if youre not than there COULD be something weird going on. Forget that give me 1000000 hands and stuff. To those thinking that way one question, what are the odds for huge amount of bad beats occuring consecutively? Now back to you bosno.

Maybe you are playing more looser than you should, thats the most common mistake.
Could be just that you were not concentrated enough.
Could be that others were colluding, dont you ever think its not possible to happen to you.
Could be that software is rigged too and is giving otherwise losing player some incentives to continue to play on their site.

Most of the time cause for this is first or last possibility. I myself am in big dillema for last two weeks should I continue to pursue online poker thingie or switch to live games. In live games here I feel to exposed to collusion, maybe some tournaments in state lottery casinos. Don`t know big dillema.

P.S. Last section was much longer and more detailed Big Smile Tongue


Could be that you're just a bad player, think about it. Poker is not about waiting for premium preflophands and demanding you get paid off with them, it's about balls (esp. cashgames), ask Phil Hellmuth.

     
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yes i do, i always lose to a fish cause i play omaha h/l

when ive got the nuts on the flop the river always helps them Aww crap! Aww crap!

     
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Posted by KDRPKR:
Could be that you're just a bad player, think about it. Poker is not about waiting for premium preflophands and demanding you get paid off with them, it's about balls (esp. cashgames), ask Phil Hellmuth.

love your comment and i agree 150%! Big Smile Smile

     
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more and more actually thinking of stoping online poker and moving to casinos cash tables

     
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Play on ipoker.. Then you'll know what losing ot fish is all about! Big Smile

     
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Could be, but if youre not than there COULD be something weird going on. Forget that give me 1000000 hands and stuff. To those thinking that way one question, what are the odds for huge amount of bad beats occuring consecutively? Now back to you bosno.

Maybe you are playing more looser than you should, thats the most common mistake.
Could be just that you were not concentrated enough.
Could be that others were colluding, dont you ever think its not possible to happen to you.
Could be that software is rigged too and is giving otherwise losing player some incentives to continue to play on their site.

Most of the time cause for this is first or last possibility. I myself am in big dillema for last two weeks should I continue to pursue online poker thingie or switch to live games. In live games here I feel to exposed to collusion, maybe some tournaments in state lottery casinos. Don`t know big dillema.

as i have always mentioned in past post, thats the beauty of playing poker; youll never know who your gonna lose to, but in the long run if you play with better strategy youll mostly win it...

     
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Ok I put that "COULD" word in capital because of these comments and still it surprises me how every time someone mentiones word rigged there are at least 4 people posting same template answers. Well, your bad not mine. oliver if you want to quote someone you can use the quote button.

Could be that you're just a bad player, think about it. Poker is not about waiting for premium preflophands and demanding you get paid off with them, it's about balls (esp. cashgames), ask Phil Hellmuth.

@kdrpkr and danemitic too.
You say it`s about balls, I agree. One has to have balls to play poker right. Bankroll management main purpose is to give player downswing safety net AND to allow player to play more aggressively, you remember that part for sure where it says something like"choose any size of your bankroll you are feeling comfortable losing". I don`t have to ask Phil Helmuth anything.

And from where did you pull out that I am waiting for premium hands or that I am winning or losing player for that matter? Where did I say that I am in dillema because I am losing or winning? PLEASE ANSWER since you had time to post what you did I`m hoping you`ll have time to answer this too.

as i have always mentioned in past post, thats the beauty of playing poker; youll never know who your gonna lose to, but in the long run if you play with better strategy youll mostly win it...
Beauty of the poker is not that 'You`ll never know who you`re gonna lose to" but whom you`re gonna OUTPLAY, and thats why I agree with the "balls" part. We could have discussion on topic like "Do You have balls to lose a hand against a fish?" or someting similar.

My reasoning behind this dillema has nothing to do with ROI.

     
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You have to always remind yourself that to beat a fish you mainly have to play the opposite. Don't make too many loose calls just because he's a fish...you'll get burnt. Play tight, play position, and MILK THEM. Don't try to bluff them out on 3 streets, they will pay you off and badbeat you...maybe an occasioanl bluff is ok, but don't make a habit of it

     
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Posted by Miloutre:
Play on ipoker.. Then you'll know what losing ot fish is all about! Big Smile

I have lots of experience playing against fishes at ipoker and I had always a badbeat Sad

     
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Posted by twinsun:
Posted by Miloutre:
Play on ipoker.. Then you'll know what losing ot fish is all about! Big Smile

I have lots of experience playing against fishes at ipoker and I had always a badbeat Sad


You'll obviously lose the occasionnal pot but in the longrun those fish's money will be yours. As Teteban puts it just keep tight and play in position and you'll get the money back in no time. There are a lot of badbeats on ipoker but over a long period and IF you keep within good bankroll management,you'll be raking it in.

Edited by Miloutre (22 January 2010 @ 16:20 GMT)


     
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i think that the lower limits you are playing at the posibility to lose against a fish is the biggest , the higher the limits the more serious people playing poker .

     
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It's going to happen on the lower limits. For one, it's just so much cheaper to call a pf raise in the micros' than in higher limits. So losing a 4bb or so to see a possible miracle flop happens more often than not. You'll find yourself asking "Why the hell would anyone play those hands and from that position?" Also, think of what times these fish are getting lucky, could it possibly be the guy is sitting at home, drinking like a mf and just flat out not playing with any skill and getting lucky.

     
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Yes, I do lose to fish a lot, BUT over a whole week I win more from the fish then I lose.
My bankroll is slowly going upwards, but I had the feeling I lost "toomuch" to fish.
So I analyzed my HH on known fish and guess what: in the long run they pay me back.
Another thing I discovered: 40% of what I lost to fish was my own fault; so often I could have checked / folded on the turn or river, because that typical situation that they do suck you out occured.

Now I check / fold more often in those situations ( being in a pot with a FISH) and I still lose the pot, but with less of my money in it Cool

     
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Lower (micro/low) limits:
The Fish seem to be gaining the upper hand because there are so MANY of them!
More and more very day. Aww crap!
Like everyone says: play position, patience, and fold to the fish if it feels "fishy". (no joke, really). Blink

     
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Hello everybody! For me too it's really the galley after losing a lot of my bankroll I was obliged to descend to the lower limit. But I keep myself taking bad beats.
I said it's not just continue it will end up paying.
I hope lol Smile

     
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Posted by Predobar:


Could be that you're just a bad player, think about it. Poker is not about waiting for premium preflophands and demanding you get paid off with them, it's about balls (esp. cashgames), ask Phil Hellmuth.

@kdrpkr and danemitic too.
You say it`s about balls, I agree. One has to have balls to play poker right. Bankroll management main purpose is to give player downswing safety net AND to allow player to play more aggressively, you remember that part for sure where it says something like"choose any size of your bankroll you are feeling comfortable losing". I don`t have to ask Phil Helmuth anything.

And from where did you pull out that I am waiting for premium hands or that I am winning or losing player for that matter? Where did I say that I am in dillema because I am losing or winning? PLEASE ANSWER since you had time to post what you did I`m hoping you`ll have time to answer this too.



You don't know where you said it or are you just bitching, like always. PLEASE ANSWER, PLEASE. I BEG OF YOU.

     
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@kdrpkr
What`s your problem? Are you losing to a fish, lately or are you fish who is getting lucky lately and immediately thinks that youre on top of the world? Or is it something personal?

EDIT: Since there is no FTP BRM freeroll tonight, which I planned to play I took liberty to surf around and found possible answers to my questions. IS IT that bad lately for you? Can`t get ITM in those freerolls? Too many unemployed people seeking refuge in gambling? Think ahead, that`s another skill that makes you a good poker player. And I see a pattern of this behavior from you towards other people in several of other threads, pure insults without any provocation, so you might want to went out your losing player frustration somewhere else or express in some other way. Make another poker is rigged thread and went it out, but leave others alone. GET IT

Oh BTW, your bank transfer from FTP which usually takes 24 hours to hit your bank account, did someone transfer you that money, possibly from one of your other accounts on FTP or you screwed someone else for that money in p2p transfer scam? Another thing about bank transfers, I don`t think there is financial institution in the world that will process bank transfer in 24hours, so that you know. Have a good day, kiddo.

Edited by Predobar (23 January 2010 @ 20:44 GMT)


     
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