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Ok.. i have used the search button and still couldn't find this one: How do you guys stand on the raise or fold theory thingy?
(When you don't want to raise... just fold) I do use it sometimes, but it leaves no room for slowplaying... and i soooo like slowplaying the nuts... On the other hand, it makes it easier to fold those hands i would limp in with, but that never ever pay me off.
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Well if you are on flop already and you are to act as first or no one before you raised and you feel like they dont have nothing .. just checkraise smth like 3BbS if some one will call they you know he has got smth and you petter go tight then
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No that's not what i meant. Let me explain it better:
Pre flop let's say you're in middle position, you get cards you like, but you're just going to limp in. Would it be better not to call but instead fold if you REALLY dont want to raise, or raise if you REALLY dont want to fold. Would it be better to pretend that the call button doesnt exist, only raise or fold?
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Oh well thats about your decision .. if you have read if the player is or loose but probably if you dont have nuts in that you better go for just call and let him act ... thats what you meant ?
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no not at all
there is a theory, i dont know by who, but i've read it a few times now, that if you dont want to raise, fold and if you dont want to fold raise... just pretend that there is no call option. that that way you really only play the best hands, because you fold the hands you would otherwise just have called out of habit. it should make you play your pemium hands agressive and fold every hand that your not ready to raise. I'm talking preflop here.
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Posted by perryfreya: Pre flop let's say you're in middle position, you get cards you like, but you're just going to limp in.
Depends on what kind of cards you like! Do you like them enough to limp in and call if someone raises? That´s one criteria I think about before limping in, will I call a raise with this hand? I gues that´s a start for you to think about.
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wait let me see if i can find the whole theory on it. Because i know what my criterias are for starting hands, but i just wanted to know what you guys think about that theory. i'll edit this post when i find it
edit: ok didn't find the whole theory, but i did find the basic of it (first line) and why the person who wrote this doesn't agree with the "either raise or fold" theory thingy
No doubt you’ve heard from many a person that the key to poker is never to call. Raise or fold. If you can’t raise, throw it away.
It’s perhaps useful advice for a casual player who hasn’t yet seen how powerful aggression can be. But I think it’s also very limiting advice, and it completely fails to explain how to play a class of very common situations.
Often, calling isn’t so bad. This is especially true when you have position, and there’s still plenty of money behind. The ability to wait-and-see is a very powerful positional weapon, and if you’re overeager to get your money in the middle, you’ll forfeit it.
(ok i cant get the bold letters to work :s
Edited by perryfreya (14 February 2008 @ 15:43 GMT)
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Ok.. i have used the search button and still couldn't find this one: How do you guys stand on the raise or fold theory thingy?
(When you don't want to raise... just fold) I do use it sometimes, but it leaves no room for slowplaying... and i soooo like slowplaying the nuts... On the other hand, it makes it easier to fold those hands i would limp in with, but that never ever pay me off.
How do you see this?
dont slowplay and when you got the absolute nuts hit hard
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It´s all relative. There is no "right" or "wrong" theory. This is simply because no player should always have the same behaviour, or at least not waste money if others can read this behaviour, understanding it´s betting patterns. So I guess all is valid within an adequate bankroll management.
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i think raising is so much better option than slowplayingh a big pair or maybe a straight but if you have straightfluh or quad but if you have top pair top kikker dont slow play them because top pair isnt so good when you give a lot of outs and thats wrong.
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Slowplaying, when it works, is a great weapon, but don´t forget that giving your opponents free cards is very dangerous. I always play aggressive and if someone want to try their luck with a new card, they better pay!
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if i have absolute nuts i rly like to slow them but AA or KK never
