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  4-May-10, 13:03   #1
Bad beat or bad play? -1 
pmmalmeida 

Joined: Nov '09
Location: Portugal
Age: 41 (M)
Posts: 49
Hey,

Just wanted to share the last hands that got me kicked from several celeb freerolls, feel free to give your opinion.

Some guy raises me 3 BB and I call with A10, the flop brings 2 6 10 rainbow and he goes all-in. I think that he is trying to steal and call. He has AK unsuited (12% chance of winning), the turn is a K Sad

I raise on the button 4 BB with A something, some guy calls. The flop is A and two spades. He checks and I bet a little over 3/4 of the pot. He calls. The turn is some useless card and again he checks and I bet a little over 3/4 of the pot. Again he calls. The river is another spade and he bets Angry. I call and I'm beat by a flush. He had (36% of hitting the flush on the turn and only 18% on the river).

I raise 3 BB with K9 suited and get called. The board is 9 9 6. Some guy bets and I call. The turn is some useless card and again he bets and I raise, he goes all-in. He had AA (only 4% chance of winning) and the river is an A. Aww crap!

There are several more which I don't remember the details right now, but It seems that when I go all-in, I always get beat in the turn or the river Sad

Edited by pmmalmeida (04 May 2010 @ 13:10 GMT)


     
  4-May-10, 13:09   #2
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shokaku 

Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
Age: 54 (M)
Posts: 6690
First hand i guess you mean a K on the turn.

Second hand is more or less standard, don't expect someone to fold a draw in a freeroll.

Last hand sucks.

     
  4-May-10, 13:11   #3
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pmmalmeida 

Joined: Nov '09
Location: Portugal
Age: 41 (M)
Posts: 49
Posted by shokaku:
First hand i guess you mean a K on the turn.

Second hand is more or less standard, don't expect someone to fold a draw in a freeroll.

Last hand sucks.


Thanks, you are right. Smile

     
  4-May-10, 13:15   #4
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SCDossett 
Joined: Sep '07
Location: New Zealand
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 626
Yea thats just unlucky. Without the pot size and bet sizes its hard to tell if you should of folded against the flush. In certain situations you are almost definatly beat when that happens. People dont often draw to straights when theres already a flush draw out there and the only other hands you can put him on are maybe a stronger A, an A that two paired, the flush or a bluff. I would say the bluff is only like 5% of the time. Most people don't check call hoping to then bluff the river with nothing.

the 996 board was completly unlucky for you. Nobody can fold AA at low limits, especially not a freeroll so that you outflopped him was badluck for him. A similar argument can be put forward for AK at least in a freeroll. People are often wed to that hand preflop and you just gota take it in your stride when they do hit there 6 outs. This doesnt mean you played it more means that they played it reasonably and you got unlucky.


     
  4-May-10, 17:27   #5
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stottty1982 
Joined: Feb '09
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 40
my advice is d0nt g0 all in with 1 pair

     
  4-May-10, 19:15   #6
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xxxbchxxx 

Joined: Nov '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 43 (M)
Posts: 2194
1. A10 is a folding hand faced with a 3 bet
2.is poor luck but 3/4 pot raise to me looks like a draw.... i tend to raise the pot if i feel im infront or the op is drawing i'll ask the question after the turn by putting them all in if poss., but some players will make there minds up early in a hand and are willing to be all in even on a 18%.
3. Unlucky hand but being in a pot let alone raising with K9.....dont get involved with these sort of hands, i know it sounds odd but if you hadnt played your K9 you wouldnt have lost anything... but actually saved a lot.
Playing inferiour hands gets you in all sort of trouble. its hard to see when you have a great flop like tripsand sooo unlucky to see the A on the river but he could have had many hands that were equal to yours so if you was 50/50 (for instance) would you still be in so late in the hand? i dont know... looking at the small sample you have given id say you would.
Ypu need to look at the board and see what else is oput there to get you. adjust a little and tighten up.
Its just advice Blink

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on the third hand again.... as you raised pre flop your op will put you on a decentish hand so when the 996 come up there thinking he (you) wont have the 9 as yopu shouldnt 3 bet with such hands.
I would have put you on something like a high / over pair or AK type of hand... you shouldnt be supprised if he kept with the pot holding AA with a low flop like that.

     
  4-May-10, 21:28   #7
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Hajinnho 

Joined: Jan '10
Location: Germany
Age: 28 (M)
Posts: 1379
you wanna know what a cool beat is?

there was a player shoving almost any hand, when pot was not raised up to now.

so i got Aces in SB and he was BB.
I decided to be tricky, call preflop, wait a second and snap his all in. He shows eight-ten off

AND i hit an Ace on the flop. he hits an 8, third card was any small crap.

so what is possible now?
Two Pair: not enough
Trips: not enough
Straight: not possible
Flush: not possible

Drawing dead? No, guess what:
Turn is an eight, River is an eight.

Top of that i bubbled (8. when 7 itm) when i had no bankroll left (but one more tournament open which i got enough profit... otherwise i would have smashed my pc i guess Big Smile)

     
  4-May-10, 21:33   #8
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Flippedchips 

Joined: Dec '09
Location: United Kingdom
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Posts: 2087
2nd hand i would put him all in on th turn for a real tough decision most of the time they will fold but it can be crap if they have Js Big Smile

     
  5-May-10, 00:25   #9
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m0n0 
Joined: Dec '07
Location: Australia
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 186
Posted by pmmalmeida:
Some guy raises me 3 BB and I call with A10


AT is a fold... it's easily donimated...


I raise on the button 4 BB with A something, some guy calls. The flop is A and two spades. He checks and I bet a little over 3/4 of the pot. He calls. The turn is some useless card and again he checks and I bet a little over 3/4 of the pot. Again he calls. The river is another spade and he bets. I call and I'm beat by a flush. He had (36% of hitting the flush on the turn and only 18% on the river).


you tried to steal and it didn't work... the caller could easily have had a stronger ace, or even As draw... your hand wasn't nuts, but you kept betting - why?? if opp had a stong draw, two pair, a set - he could easily keep calling your bets... you shouldn't have called a river bet - it was more than likely you were beat
so, IMO you didn't play it right...


I raise 3 BB with K9 suited and get called. The board is 9 9 6. Some guy bets and I call. The turn is some useless card and again he bets and I raise, he goes all-in. He had AA (only 4% chance of winning) and the river is an A.


just unlucky here... another steal raise... basically it was suck - re-suck play Smile you were going to suck out on aces, but got re-sucked on the river... unlucky, but you could say that justice prevailed...
in general, as was mentioned before - don't get involved with hands like that - you'll lose more than you'll win...


     
  5-May-10, 07:17   #10
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magatt966 

Joined: Jan '09
Location: Italy
Age: 49 (M)
Posts: 3847
There are no infos about the phase of the tournaments (early middle bubble) but if it is early IMHO you are playing with weak hands: maybe you are trying to do some catching but these are the risks of playing weak cards.
Another thing I disagree with is your betsizing: it would be correct in buyins tournament but when playing freerolls I use to make stronger bets then usual.

BUt have to say you have been unlucky as well

     
  5-May-10, 07:38   #11
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twinsun 
Joined: Aug '08
Location: Germany
Age: 42 (M)
Posts: 353
Posted by pmmalmeida:
Posted by shokaku:
First hand i guess you mean a K on the turn.

Second hand is more or less standard, don't expect someone to fold a draw in a freeroll.

Last hand sucks.


Thanks, you are right. Smile

Shokaku gives always good advices!!!

     
  6-May-10, 12:39   #12
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pmmalmeida 

Joined: Nov '09
Location: Portugal
Age: 41 (M)
Posts: 49
Thank you all for you advice and tips. I believe I still have a lot to learn. One of my biggest flaws it that I convince myself that the other players are always trying to steel and usually go out betting on all streets Aww crap!

     
  6-May-10, 15:44   #13
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shokaku 

Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
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Posted by pmmalmeida:
Thank you all for you advice and tips. I believe I still have a lot to learn. One of my biggest flaws it that I convince myself that the other players are always trying to steel and usually go out betting on all streets Aww crap!

Hehe. Smile

The good old "He has nothing" problem.

     
  6-May-10, 16:49   #14
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Hajinnho 

Joined: Jan '10
Location: Germany
Age: 28 (M)
Posts: 1379
Posted by shokaku:
Posted by pmmalmeida:
Thank you all for you advice and tips. I believe I still have a lot to learn. One of my biggest flaws it that I convince myself that the other players are always trying to steel and usually go out betting on all streets Aww crap!

Hehe. Smile

The good old "He has nothing" problem.


yeah. and you know what? When you will stop betting only once or fold.... THAN they will show you they really dont have a hand

     
  9-May-10, 12:42   #15
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dozn01 

Joined: Sep '09
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 5000
Posted by pmmalmeida:
Thank you all for you advice and tips. I believe I still have a lot to learn. One of my biggest flaws it that I convince myself that the other players are always trying to steel and usually go out betting on all streets Aww crap!



at least your learning from your mistakes Smile

     
  9-May-10, 12:53   #16
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ih8usukouts 

Joined: Jul '09
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 44 (M)
Posts: 1000
Just wanted to share the last hands that got me kicked from several celeb freerolls, feel free to give your opinion.

Don't play freerolls and complain about bad beats Aww crap!
All you are doing is wasting everyone's time, how about that for advice Thumbs Up

     
  9-May-10, 12:53   #17
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MOAR 

Joined: May '10
Location: Denmark
Age: 28 (M)
Posts: 67
All three hands are standard coolers. Better luck in the future Smile

     
  9-May-10, 22:08   #18
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pocketsevens 
Joined: Oct '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 38 (M)
Posts: 3
Posted by MOAR:
All three hands are standard coolers. Better luck in the future Smile

lol none of these hands are coolers he could avoid getting all his money in in every case.
1) fold pre flop to raise bit nitty esp in freeroll but right play.
2) jsut soooo badly played, you say you have ace "something" the something is very relevent as if it some rag card should you be raising anyway? I would also look at you bet sizing 4xbb is too much you should be looking to make raises of 2 and a half to 3bb as this gives you a chance to get away from the hand if you are reraised, Secondly i wouldnt put anymore money into this pot after you are called on the flop (maybe a value bet on the river if the flush doesnt come and its checked to you). I would just look to be check calling this down (dependent on size of bet) unless a spade comes then i prob fold. At the end of the day you only have one pair and prob very weak kicker is it real worth stacking off?
3) simple dont play the k9 esp dont raise with it. dont like the smooth call by the AA here either as AA is not the best of hands to play preflop and he is letting hit your hand for free as you do, but even so no your not unlucky as play post flop is just autoplay, and you could of avoided it all by just laying it down preflop.

     
  10-May-10, 00:52   #19
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Mordo 
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Brazil
Age: 43 (M)
Posts: 94
It depends of lots variables as stack of boths players, level of tourney and if he is agressive player or loose.

     
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