I played yesterday on a 10 handed micro stake table 0,02/0,04 and got Ah,Ac. I didn't want to raise any suspicious and raised 3x the big blind to 0,12 cents. I got called by two poeple, one with Q,Q and the other I don't know. I had €4,50 stack, the guy with Q,Q had €8,50 end third had €1,80 stack.
On the flop came 3c,Qd,10d The turn was a 10h and the river was a blank.
What would you have done??? (I raised all in on the flop and lost the money)
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I have 1 question - why you put all in after flop? I think the best way after flop was to bet pot and wait for actions from anothers players. but you was in big trouble after flop anyway D
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going all in for 100+ BBs on a 10BB pot is quite crazy. Were you in position or oop? Did the guy with QQ do something before you went allin? That is, was it - you went all in, period? - QQ guy bet you went all in? - you bet, QQ raised, you all in? - QQ bet you raise, QQ reraise... there are so many possibilities that I can't say whether you played it bad or really bad
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Posted by Funope: I played yesterday on a 10 handed micro stake table 0,02/0,04 and got Ah,Ac. I didn't want to raise any suspicious and raised 3x the big blind to 0,12 cents. I got called by two poeple, one with Q,Q and the other I don't know. I had �4,50 stack, the guy with Q,Q had �8,50 end third had �1,80 stack.
On the flop came 3c,Qd,10d The turn was a 10h and the river was a blank.
What would you have done??? (I raised all in on the flop and lost the money)
Not really enough information since you don't say what positions you are in. We don't know who acts first. It sounds like you're first to act preflop but you say you raised all-in on the flop so are we to assume you checked and your opponent bet out.
Oh and this may be pedantic but you didn't raise 3 bb preflop, you raised 2 bb to make 12c total. This is not so bad if you were first to act.
It's hard to say but I would probably not have gone all in on the flop even if my opponent put in a big raise. The flop looks too dangerous and although he could have AQ it's a lot to gamble when you have so little information. Q10 and trip 10s being other likely cards.
Agree with all; if you decided to maximize pot, taking some risks, after the ''nice'' queen on flop you had to bet for value. You would have been reraised and goodbye, see you soon next hand
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Seeing as to the frequency of setups in online poker games, i would generally do the following: 1) keep the pot small, your preflop raise was good, which was 3x BB, the same as what I would've done 2) if first to act, bet 70% pot, if someone re-raises you, then run 3) if your last to act, and someone already bet, call, usually this will continue until turn. If turn is checked, make min or 50% pot bet 4) If you get re-raised in 3, run 5) in the river, make a 1/2-60% pot bet, if you get re-raised run, those who are drawing will fold, but there's a big chance you'll still get called by mid or top pair, which you beat. 6) The real advantage in this is the person would probably re-raise you on the river since he wants value for his set, if so, RUN!
I know this strategy is vulnerable to bluffs, so this should be done on a table that you have little or no info about the players around you.
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Tuff decision. But i would bet the pot on flop. Turn would be a scared card, that would prevent u for going all in, maybe check there. Half the pot on the river, he would move all in, easy fold for u.
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Posted by awood88: Not really enough information since you don't say what positions you are in. ... It's hard to say but I would probably not have gone all in on the flop even if my opponent put in a big raise. The flop looks too dangerous and although he could have AQ it's a lot to gamble when you have so little information. Q10 and trip 10s being other likely cards.
Awood - I have one question for you? Do you ever make profit playing poker?????? It was 4nl not high stakes poker, you really think players who are playing there will play positions and know anything about cutoffs, odds, and bet sizeing? Id say maybe 10-20% of those players will yes, but most of them are in those stakes because they are beginners who start with freerolls or just deposit 20-50 bucks to get started with poker. You rarely see grinders there as its the lowest limit you can be.
Funope - you did nothing wrong there, just got unlucky and thats all. Dont listen players critisizeing about your position or raise all in postflop. You cant play poker it you suspect every time that player hit trips on every flop. Better luck next time
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I do the same at low limits, usually works, they will call you with a pair of queens... but there you got unlucky, but you didnt raise enough on preflop
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On micro limits u need to have good reads on oponent to fold Over Pair especially Aces... But going all-in at flop it's stupid even on lowest stakes u will be called nearly always by better hands... Even some donks are scared seeing high all-in if someone do it before them.
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Micro limits or not, poker has the same principles. Just cos everyone else plays bad is not an excuse to play bad yourself. Playing like a donk will never increase your profits long-term even against a table full of donks. And going all in in an unraised pot with a stack ten times the pot in a cash game is always stupid.
In any case the question was "what would you have done?" and I play higher limits although still considered low limits. So my advice is given from the prospective of a low limits player although I think it is universal.
The reason we are asking for positions and bet sizes is not to criticise funope's play but to be in a position to be able to evaluate it. We cannot say whether the push all-in was right until we know who acted first on the flop, which we still don't know.
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