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  10-Sep-10, 14:46   #1
Can lousy players make a good player? +1 
Mudadzija 

Joined: May '10
Location: Serbia
Age: 41 (M)
Posts: 128
I played on fulltilt and pokerstars and everest and kept burning my bankroll rapidly. Then I found a site ( don't ask which one because I'm not going to tell you Agree ) and there are LOADS of fish and plain stupid calls.
My bluffs pass elegantly and my nuts are paid.
So my question is: if we ignore the money I earned (30 $ in four days playing 2cents/4cents), is there a way for me to learn anything there? When I'm done playing on that site and go to some other one, will I be any better then before?
Basically, is playing there going to make me a better player?

     
  10-Sep-10, 15:05   #2
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dozn01 

Joined: Sep '09
Location: United Kingdom
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Posts: 5000
all what this does is build your bankroll to lose to a better player

     
  10-Sep-10, 15:06   #3
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DansihAk47 

Joined: Feb '10
Location: Denmark
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 52
I play at everest. soe many bad palyers there .... VirtusPr0 search sharscope, just started the other day, deposit 10$ just for fun. Easy to win these DONS there. only played25 $1.10 dons. lol. Ehm nice win btw 30 $ ! just dont tilt it away or play high limits. ;=) I think it will make you a better player. I guess its partypoker your playing at.

     
  10-Sep-10, 15:15   #4
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SuperNoob 

Joined: May '09
Location: India
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Posted by Mudadzija:
Basically, is playing there going to make me a better player?


First decide what is your objective - to win money or to become better player.
playing with bad players will def spoil your game e.g. if ur bluffs are passing here, u'll start bluffing more than u should.
and you'll unintentionally pickup bad things from them.

and when you start playing with better players you might struggle for some time as your usual tricks might not work with them.

it depends on how much experience you have in playing poker, whether you will become better or not.
winning 30 $ in 4 days doesnt make u a winning player there in long term it can be variance too.

and remember there is no getting better without losing money but if you are winning money there and play poker to win monwy why shift to somewhere else Tongue Tongue Tongue

my advice - keep playing at both places - bad players will earn u money and and good ones will improve your game. and adjust your bankroll accordingly so that you dont lose much.

and bad players are everywhere and at all limits Blink Blink Blink

     
  10-Sep-10, 15:41   #5
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stojaca 
Joined: Oct '09
Location: Serbia
Age: 48 (M)
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Posted by Mudadzija:

So my question is: if we ignore the money I earned (30 $ in four days playing 2cents/4cents), is there a way for me to learn anything there? When I'm done playing on that site and go to some other one, will I be any better then before?
Basically, is playing there going to make me a better player?


No, you cant learn from losers, so you wont be better player.

     
  10-Sep-10, 16:02   #6
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magatt966 

Joined: Jan '09
Location: Italy
Age: 49 (M)
Posts: 3847
Bad players can provide you an example of what you have not to do when playing and show you the results of bad play
so in a certain way they can teach you something

for sure they turn your bankroll in a better way Blink

     
  10-Sep-10, 16:50   #7
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watoba 
Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
Age: 47 (M)
Posts: 696
when u play a lot of games and read or show videos u can improve u skill but it´s a hard work.The best way to become a better player are live games with friends u can talk about the hands and whats the best way to playing a hand.I´ve played with 2 of my friends(both good players) a long time many hours on weekend and there was many hard fights we had know the playing style from the others so we must change often the sytle of playing to win money.I think thats was for me a great step to become a better player Smile

     
  11-Sep-10, 05:33   #8
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oliver082298 

Joined: Nov '09
Location: Philippines
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 1011
Posted by Mudadzija:
I played on fulltilt and pokerstars and everest and kept burning my bankroll rapidly. Then I found a site ( don't ask which one because I'm not going to tell you Agree ) and there are LOADS of fish and plain stupid calls.
My bluffs pass elegantly and my nuts are paid.
So my question is: if we ignore the money I earned (30 $ in four days playing 2cents/4cents), is there a way for me to learn anything there? When I'm done playing on that site and go to some other one, will I be any better then before?
Basically, is playing there going to make me a better player?

its definitely not gonna make u a better player.. but it would be very intersting Cool

     
  11-Sep-10, 07:00   #9
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shokaku 

Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
Age: 54 (M)
Posts: 6679
Keep playing there, and build up your roll. If you start to move up in stakes the players even on that side will getting better.

     
  11-Sep-10, 08:26   #10
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tomboogy 

Joined: May '10
Location: Romania
Age: 29 (M)
Posts: 148
It doesn't help your game to play with those kind of players, but it helps your roll Big Smile and it's good you know this...so try to improve your game watching movies/playing elsewhere while your grinding there..

     
  11-Sep-10, 08:42   #11
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wias 
Joined: Jul '10
Location: Hungary
Age: 43 (M)
Posts: 22
I think u an improve yourself, cause u build your bankroll, and you can learn how u can play agaist fish, and with a good bankroll you can play against who can play better, but u have enaough ankroll while u can learn to ay against better player.

     
  11-Sep-10, 17:57   #12
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schwabo 

Joined: Mar '10
Location: Croatia
Age: 69 (F)
Posts: 1032
Hi,how you expect to learn from bad players,you must play against better than you to learn something Thumbs Up Worship Worship Worship Dollar Dollar Dollar Worship Worship Worship

     
  12-Sep-10, 00:21   #13
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Mudadzija 

Joined: May '10
Location: Serbia
Age: 41 (M)
Posts: 128
I don't think it's variance. I have been winning too long. So it must be the fishiness of the players.
As for Everest, I sincerely started doubting them when my twentieth pocket AA got folded away.
I don't say they have something to do with that, but there may be some sort of collusion going on.

     
  12-Sep-10, 00:26   #14
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IslandJack 

Joined: Oct '09
Location: Belgium
Age: 56 (M)
Posts: 2851
IMO it won't make you a better player.
More like the opposite, in myt experience.

After playing Micro Donk City for a while, my regular game is all shot to hell! Aww crap!
Don't know what I'm doing anymore...

The only way to get better, is to play better players, no way around that, I think...

     
  12-Sep-10, 03:00   #15
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fcumred 

Joined: Apr '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 49 (M)
Posts: 1238
Every game you play you learn something new so yes it will help you.

However to really grasp the game and build up more experience you need to spread your wings and play on many sites.

When you can crack it on many other sites, then you know you are doing something right.

So keep grinding, watching and learning... That will make you a better player.

     
  12-Sep-10, 09:45   #16
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Jodoli 
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Portugal
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 469
I dont know if you are right. But what i can say is that rooms like full tilt and pokerstars will rob you as you want. If you play heads-up for example you can make the game of your life but if they want you to lose you will lose. I lost all my trust in these rooms.

SO i guess is better playing in other rooms

     
  13-Sep-10, 06:38   #17
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giginicola 
Joined: Mar '10
Location: Romania
Age: 59 (F)
Posts: 55
I don't think it is true. Not even playing to win against it, because on poker a part of the winning is luck. And a bad player can be lucky Club

     
  13-Sep-10, 10:29   #18
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mazas 
Joined: Oct '09
Location: Lithuania
Age: 38 (M)
Posts: 2805
just stay here play more and move into bigger stacks table Smile
good luck grow your bankroll and be happy

     
  22-Sep-10, 14:16   #19
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Sapoazul 

Joined: Feb '09
Location: Brazil
Age: 35 (M)
Posts: 273
The right way is Study and learn... dont keep your wait for lucky... lucky dont make good players or great bankroll.. just win one or two hands... and this is not what players nee...

knowledge, this is te secret!
Agree

     
  22-Sep-10, 14:53   #20
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karstenkloss 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Serbia
Age: 43 (M)
Posts: 116
The only thing, you will learn, while playing against bad players, is valuebetting. This will be also important against good players.

From my experience, the Micros in cash-game (1ct/2ct and 2ct/4ct) are on every pokersite suitable for bankroll-building and fishy.

     
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