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hi people... i found this which could help people on the new way rake is calculated on Full Tilt
Besides the recent launch of the "Black Card", Full Tilt Poker has also made a series of changes to its rake calculation and bonus systems
Change 1: The Black Card If you earn an average of at least 500 Full Tilt Points over a 100-day period, you will get access to a special store, which offers a range of exclusive items such as cash bonuses. For tournament players, for example, this means that they have to earn $5,000 of rake within 100 days.
Change 2: Changes in Rake Calculation From the first of October onwards Full Tilt has changed the way that it calculates the rake that a player produces from dealt to weighted contributed rake. What does this mean?
Historically many poker rooms have used the so-called "dealt" method for calculating rake. This means the rake of each individual player is calculated by dividing the total rake paid in the hand by the number of players that were dealt into it.
This is best illustrated by an example:
At a 10-handed full ring table, everybody folds except for 3 players (A, B and C) who see the flop, each paying $10 pre-flop. Player A goes all-in on the flop for another $35. B folds and C calls the $35. The total pot size is now $100. At the end of the hand $5 rake gets taken from the pot.
When using the dealt method, this would mean that all 10 players at the table get credited with having produced $5 / 10 = $0.50 of rake.
In the weighted contributed calculation method, every player is credited rake based on the percentage of money that he contributed to the pot. In the above example that would mean only the 3 players who actually invested money are credited with producing rake. Player B, who put in $10 and folded on the flop, would be credited with $0.50 (10% of $5), while the other two would be credited with 2.25$ each (45% of 5$). The result is a distribution of the rake that better represents the participation of the players in the action.
Since your rakeback is based on the rake you generate, you might from now on see yourself earning more or less rakeback for the same amount of volume than you did in the past. The reason is that you will get rakeback in a way that is closer to the amount of action and thus the rake you contribute to the tables. That means if you are a tight player, you might see lower numbers while if you are a very loose player, you will see yourself receiving more rakeback.
Players will possibly also notice a trend of games loosening up pre-flop and post-flop due to this change.
Change 3: Full Tilt Points This change is especially advantageous for heads-up and short handed players.
In addition, Full Tilt has changed the way in which it calculates Full Tilt Points (FTPs) at the tables. While heads-up and short handed players were historically disadvantaged through the method of crediting 1 FTP per $1 of rake produced at the table, the new calculation awards 10 FTPs to the entire table for every $1 of hand raked. These 10 FTP are then allocated among the players.
So, for example, a 5-handed table plays a hand that gets raked $0.50. 5 points are awarded to the table, and each player dealt into the hand gets 1 FTP. Now a heads-up table gets raked $0.50 and the same 5 points are awarded to the table. Since only two players were dealt into the hand, each player now gets 2.5 FTPs (in the old system they would have received 0.5 FTPs).
For tournament players, instead of 7 FTPs per $1 in tournament fees, you now receive 10 FTPs per $1 in tournament fees.
Change 4: Iron Man Two things changed here: • the Iron Man Plus programme was stopped as the Black Card is basically the replacement for Iron Man Plus. • as gathering FTPs has become easier in general, the requirements were increased by 25% - i.e. you now need 125 FTPs / 250 FTPs instead of 100 FTPs / 200 FTPs.
The second change should be an improvement for most players. For example, SNG players accumulate FTPs more than 40% faster than before - while the requirements were only increased by 25%.
i hope this explains everything
if you havnt got account yet at Full Tilt and want rake back heres the link
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Posted by dozn01:
Change 1: The Black Card If you earn an average of at least 500 Full Tilt Points over a 100-day period, you will get access to a special store, which offers a range of exclusive items such as cash bonuses. For tournament players, for example, this means that they have to earn $5,000 of rake within 100 days.
Yeh? Are you sure? That's an awful lot?
$5,000 of rake on MTT..
if you pay 10% so for a $5 MTT that's 50c, so 10,000 games.. Or 100 games per day
That's quite a lot 100 $5 MTT's per day.. Not much chance of reaching this target if you're a low-stakes MTT player..
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Changing from dealt to contributed is allways bad for the players. Those playing full ring cash games suffer the most. But nearly all rooms use this method nowadays.
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Whilst getting points for bonus's etc is always good - i think it helps the game to use a contributed system. It's fairer and it helps make the nits a bit more uncomfortable.
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Yes, I guess it is in most ways more fair. But the ones who are losing is the nits. Me.
Although, I have during the last months started to avoid playing bonuses, since I, getting cloes to the end of it, am tending to play too much, just to get it over with, and in the process losing pretty much the bonus amount + some of the profit I have been grinding up för like 3 weeks...
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changes here again against poker player works who play at low limits so this points colculating and rake back system not works very good they wrote one thing but u ll get over thing so its not very for us low players but now u ll earn double points for ypur play its not very bad good luck all
That is really going to hit people on rakeback deals who multitable ring games.
Many people have used FTP for this as it can be very lucrative geting paid for every hand you play where money has been VPP.
Now you are basically told that unless you are more aggressive and put more into the pot you wont get paid rakeback which is going to deter people from doing those sort of deals.
This type of system killed off the Ipoker network. Many people who earned good money on Ipoker have moved away and gone onto other sites where it was a dealt system.
I think you'll find many of the people on rakeback deals on FTP will shift over to Pokerstars where its done on the dealt system.
Posted by supertjc: This will definitely push some away, or force them to change there play accordingly.
very true my friend this was one of the main reasons why i left the ipoker network , i didnt want to change the way i played so i went to full tilt, now im screwed........ on the ipoker network my rake back was cut at least by 50% when they change , now full tilt have done the same
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wow I didn't know they changed the FTP system, but I think we will all benefit from these big changes. We must appreciate that they will give us players much more.
