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  10-Oct-10, 07:48   #1
Sweetdonk! +1 
Pjot 
Joined: May '08
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So, I was playing poker yesterday, was new at the table. Got a crappy ace in the big blind. A lot of limpers. J high flop. Checked all around. Turn, dude bets 1 BB. Everybody folds. I figure: All right, he has a J. But the pot was quite big with all the limpers and whatnot. I called the BB.

Ace on the river.

The dude bets pot. I call, thinking that he has a better A, and I played really stupid, but I can't really fold now.

He has like J10. And starts raving in the chat about donks.

Now, what happened was, that when he had the best hand, he made a bet of like 20 % of the pot. When he had the worst hand, he made a bet of 100 % of the pot. I do admit I did not play that hand very well, but WHAT would I have called his riverbet with, unless with an ace? That bet makes no sense at all.

So even if I played bad, he played even worse.

And that's when I got the thought of this new pokerword: sweetdonk. To sweetdonk someone.

That is, when you play in a way that seems to be bad to the opposition, but you are actually aware of what you are doing (you are passive, but have the odds to call), and then draw out on them, making them mad.

A classic sweetdonk!

What do you people think?

Edited by Pjot (10 October 2010 @ 07:51 GMT)


     
  10-Oct-10, 07:54   #2
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Supererou 

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LMAO!This players are my heroes.Bet small when they have a good hand and almost going all in on the flop just to scare you. Smile))))=)))) When you see them at the table they are guaranteed cash. Big Smile

     
  10-Oct-10, 08:53   #3
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shokaku 

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Expert play. Thumbs Up

He can only blame himself for that useless bet on the turn. If he likes to minbet he should play fixed limit.

     
  10-Oct-10, 08:57   #4
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DaMessiah666 

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I agree. He played like a donk. When you are implied in a "big pot", little bets can be considered to be called even if you don't have anything in your hands, thinking only in remote possibilities that sometimes happen.

     
  10-Oct-10, 09:11   #5
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Pjot 
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Thanks for your comments. I agree with all of you.

But the actual topic of the thread, is the term "sweetdonk". Do you think it will fly? Will you use ut? What do you think of it? Have you sweetdonked anybody lately?

And so on... Smile

     
  10-Oct-10, 09:26   #6
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DaMessiah666 

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Posted by Pjot:
But the actual topic of the thread, is the term "sweetdonk". Do you think it will fly? Will you use ut? What do you think of it?

Ops, sorry ... but I cannot give you any opinion about the word "sweetdonk" because I'm spanish and I have not enough English level to know any other meaning that a donk which is sweet Big Smile

     
  10-Oct-10, 09:31   #7
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Pjot 
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Posted by DaMessiah666:
Posted by Pjot:
But the actual topic of the thread, is the term "sweetdonk". Do you think it will fly? Will you use ut? What do you think of it?

Ops, sorry ... but I cannot give you any opinion about the word "sweetdonk" because I'm spanish and I have not enough English level to know any other meaning that a donk which is sweet Big Smile

Yes, I understand. But if you think of it this way: he thinks you are a donk. And "donked" him, by rivering that ace. So, when the ace turned up, it was pretty sweet. A sweetdonk.

     
  10-Oct-10, 10:53   #8
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mazas 
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at this time online poker become not poker but dumb donks show then u cant play game about and 1 hour becouse all in or 20 bb raises are in all dealing game ....... Sad

     
  10-Oct-10, 12:17   #9
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Pjot 
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Posted by mazas:
at this time online poker become not poker but dumb donks show then u cant play game about and 1 hour becouse all in or 20 bb raises are in all dealing game ....... Sad

You did not actually read the thread, did you?

     
  10-Oct-10, 12:22   #10
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oliver082298 

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Posted by Supererou:
LMAO!This players are my heroes.Bet small when they have a good hand and almost going all in on the flop just to scare you. Smile))))=)))) When you see them at the table they are guaranteed cash. Big Smile

you'll never know when they are playing like a donk, unless you called all their raises; but what if the donk your calling have a better bankroll than you??? what would you do...? Question

     
  10-Oct-10, 13:46   #11
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astra4 
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that was a really bad bet of the other player, he got himself to blame, he should at least bet 75% of the pot there after flop so other players fold. but good play there calling with A high. you hit it. Thumbs Up

     
  10-Oct-10, 13:47   #12
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MANUEDO 
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Agree with you; it's tipical reaction when you're dominating hand until river and then ..... boom, you're are under and you don't accept it. You call and you know you're losing Blink

     
  10-Oct-10, 14:43   #13
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ILI_002 

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Sweetdonking da donks, yo!.. yeah, that's the word for some nasty new era poker bratting man!... Blink Big Smile

But if I somehow see it from another point of view, maybe that's how I would play the hand if I had a weak Ace against check-check... or if I wanted to persuade anyone that I had an Ace... okay, not just 1BB on the turn but a little more, and finally on the river when I got my pair I'd bet bigger.
So having that in mind, your opponent's play of the hand could have fooled anyone that he actually had an Ace (but if he had shown signs of donk play he couldn't trick you).

It's all a friggin' "think-of-how-he-thinks-I'm-thinking-and-do-the-opposite" metagame...

Edited by ILI_002 (10 October 2010 @ 14:52 GMT)


     
  10-Oct-10, 15:36   #14
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shoveandtilt 

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LOL. loving this phrase already. Brilliant stuff pjot :]]]]

     
  10-Oct-10, 18:08   #15
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awood88 
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Quite a lot of the time I get called a donk. usually wrongly imo. And then I always feel I need to justify my play as if it matters.

Sometimes I sense weakness and call with the intention of bluffing if I miss but end up hitting and checking it down. Sometimes I call a draw with less than pot odds cos I know if I do hit I'll have this player for all he's worth. And then I get all the names from a player who thinks that he's such an incredible player cos he's read one book and probly not understood it.

Maybe there should be a name for these kind of people. I don't know if I like "sweetdonk" cos I'm not sure i would instantly get what it means. If someone used it in poker table chat for instance. Maybe something like "reflonk" would be better cos when they call people donks they are looking in their own reflection or maybe it could be to "donkspecs" someone. Just an alternative suggestion.

     
  10-Oct-10, 18:25   #16
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IslandJack 

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lol! Big Smile

I think it´s brilliant that your´re looking for a word in this case.
I´ve been thinking about it, and maybe "sweet" is a word I wouldn´t directly associate with Poker. It´s a pretty agressive kind of game.

Maybe "Overdonk" or something?
Or "Backdonk", like, at the back of the Board.

Well, you wanted opinions, that´s mine. Smile

But all credit to you for trying to find a fitting phrase. Blink
Let us know what you decide.

     
  11-Oct-10, 00:14   #17
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MoeJoe111 
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hmm, jap. he played his hand wrong. finish Tongue simply wrong bet (BB) to defend ur toppair J...nice move if he`d hit a twopair and wanted ppl to get into the pot by slowplay. it wasnt even a donkmove of urs..risky but good call and gl with the river.

     
  11-Oct-10, 06:51   #18
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Pjot 
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Thanks a lot for your answeres people! I like both of IslandJacks suggestions, and reflonk is good too. But I just can't let sweetdonk go, it has sort of settled in my mind.

What we should do, now that we have these good usable terms, is to start looking for situations in which they would fit.

I would love to play a whole night, overdonking, backdonking, reflonking, and sweetdonking people!

They would , like, go apes! Big Smile

Edit: @ ILI_002, I actually thought he had a better ace, and felt really stupid calling, before I saw his hand.

     
  11-Oct-10, 09:33   #19
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midnight1954 

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why worry my friend just be glad that there are players like this about , chill, and dont tap! the tank

     
  23-Oct-10, 20:52   #20
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Sherbert 
Joined: Sep '10
Location: United States
Age: 57 (F)
Posts: 62
The donkier the better. Big Smile Like Santa clause at the table. Just wait and he will leave you a present. Big Smile Be quiet----you might scare the fish away!!! Agree

     
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