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Not ok i think you should play most seriously at the end because prize diferent before 1st and 2nd player is huge (and very huge if you are playing at B2B room) so I do not think that Q9 is good hand to push
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Fackinas is right AI with q9 is not needed, first you have the bigger stack, so you can either bully a weak player or play stronger hands tightern up a little. Yes Q9 is a good HU hand pre-flop, but on a flop like that you will only get a call by a dominating hand you could have easily tested the water. Lucky indeed. As mentiond 45% for 1st or 25% for 2nd...thats a big jump...Its you HU game that will make you the big money. Caongrats for a 1st.
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It's hard to tell from your pics exactly what happened but am I to understand you pushed all-in preflop first to act with Q9 down to heads up.
It's not necessarily bad play. Depends on how big the blinds were and how the previous hands have been going. How tight have you been playing and how tight is the opponent. A call with A2 is actually pretty dangerous unless you are desperate cos the best situation you can hope for is against two middle but live cards.
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Lucky break for you! I'm sure that your opponent thought he had that one sewn up on the flop. Like awood88 mentions, without knowing the previous hands HU between you and your opponent, it is difficult to pass judgement on your AI. If he was pushing AI every hand and this time you felt you were ahead well... sh*t happens! Nice win!
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dont get me wrong,but beacuse of this kind of players,like you,I start to tilt and want to break a notebook!just cant understand how can you pay on this cards and then to expect to win?like a fish!and people then ask how can you be mad in poker!
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imho in heads up, right move with q9 ! The variety of playable hands in heads up and big blinds is so huge you can almost push every hand. I would of folded A2 definately in that situation.
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Im unsure to why it is people are saying q9o is OK for AI pre-flop... Against a random hand its a flip....a weak hand would fold...any ace has higher equity here. The only way id say its OK is if the blinds are huge and your x2 chip stack is not acting as a weight. But none of us actually know how this hand was played, call an all in FTA or raise / re-raise etc etc. On the flop you were actually behind by 99.39%
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I never said it was ok to push all-in with q9 but that it depends on lots of factors. I agree b1gfoot that it's impossible to say whether this was played well with the information we are given.
Although now looking again at both pics it seems he called all-in rather than pushed first and this would usually be a bad move. What confused me was that b1gfoot saying he was the big stack when actually he was the short stack.
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I had around 20000 chips when came to heads up, then 3 times in a row I fold gave very bad card 6-8, 3-5, J-2, and blinds were 1500/3000, so I had to to play Q9, because if folded this, id given already 4 times my opponent free win, Any card over J is ok play in heads up. My opponent min raised in this hand, so I thought he maybe doesnt have big cards, and that I can find coin flip situation in preflop, So I pushed here all-in.
[quote=dule-vu] just cant understand how can you pay on this cards and then to expect to win?like a fish[/quote]
I mix my game in tournament: depending blind size, number of players, position on tournament, thoughts I have made from opponent players.
When 10 players in this type tournament, I play tigher, and when 3-4 left if managed there, then began play more varience of cards. (more aggressive).
Can't just wait for 80% winning hand like JJ- AK AA QQ, or if waits, soon you will find that you dont have any chips left, or so little stack, that it isnt threat to your opponent anymore.
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Posted by bless9: I had around 20000 chips when came to heads up, then 3 times in a row I fold gave very bad card 6-8, 3-5, J-2, and blinds were 1500/3000, so I had to to play Q9, because if folded this, id given already 4 times my opponent free win, Any card over J is ok play in heads up. My opponent min raised in this hand, so I thought he maybe doesnt have big cards, and that I can find coin flip situation in preflop, So I pushed here all-in.
I figured it was something like that - when you finally hit hu in a tourney then the blinds are always eating you alive (unless its a deepstack tourney). So stick it all in with Q9 is a correct move.
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I agree. Based on what you said happened pushing was probably the right move. If you folded 3 hands in a row before this then he is likely to raise with s**t, which in fact he did. A2 isn't a good hand here. Blinds are too big for either of you to fold though.
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You said your rival pushed 3 times before you did it with Q9.... now he minraised... In HU if i see minraise after some weird pushed it's always a hand your oponent will go AI and want you ro reraise him. Anyway sick hand never won a hand with that % chance.
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so dumb call and easy win so its strange but allways for th dumb callers they hit some strange and u ll must out i dislike that kind off players and allway them cal donks but all the poker sites loves them and on the river get to them card that was needed and they allways claim wins wtf ? why normal poker players must loose to dumb callers ? so why start dislike online poker becouse they start to deal to much in bad way like this one deal was so i start playing real poker on the casinos and my money poket start growing quite fast 10 x faster then sitting at the tables on online poker
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