I watched it yesterday - quite interesting. I don't know how accurate the facts are, but I suppose it's up to each individual to decide how to interpret those facts.
(If you haven't watched it yet, here's the IMDB plot outline: Documentary about a) the origin of christian faith b) how american banks have seized worldpower at the beginning of the 20th century c) how these 2 items are related to the wars fought in the 20th and 21st century. - note, the first part, about religion, can get a bit boring at first, but only skip that part if you really have to )
Oh, BY THE WAY, I should warn you .. the intro (first 5 minutes) of the movie contains some rather strong images (for some), so either skip the first 5 minutes or don't watch the movie at all.
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one of my favourite movies is the hustler with paul newman as a pool hustler back in the day its wicked then to make my day years later he made a sequal with tom cruise the couler of money also brilliant
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Posted by dannyjon: one of my favourite movies is the hustler with paul newman as a pool hustler back in the day its wicked then to make my day years later he made a sequal with tom cruise the couler of money also brilliant
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I rly think these kinds of movies are instresting, ive been searching for a movie, it's about a theory of the 9/11 and ive heard it's rly good but i can't the name of it anyone know?
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If you want a movie with some facts maybe that is the one youre looking for, you can find a torrent with " mike rupert 911" or add conspiracy theory to it. I think that guy is, we are talking about conspiracy, CIA agent which is showing some articles and facts that are true but then he puts up a theory that is so fictional that you cannot believe that is true making this whole conspiracy theory about 9/11 a farse. But it is worth watching because he pulls up some evidence i havent seen before, then you make your own conclusion what happened, disregard his theory. It is not a movie it is some university held lecture so be prepared for poor quality. I dont know if it was the same lecture, i ve downloaded some other lectures he held pursuing that he is CIA agent theory , that part about NASA is hillarious. Disregard his conclusion worth watching only because of evidence.
ADDON: Link before havent worked for me. But i found a torrent from original site. Just use your favourite torrent search engine with terms "zeitgeist official". Im guessing it is better quality then google video. And yes that beginning is some hard work brainwashing with all those repeatings and images which, in some Icke`s movie, are related to influencing persons subconcious.
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I wanted to say that i watched it and yes those facts about religion are true, at least egyptian thing i did a little research on that topic. As far I know that astrological thing is real. Religion topic was my intro to conspiracy world, but i dont think that all of those thing are conspiracy at all some are here for confusion. Watch that Illuminati documentary from Icke, there is some stupid facts but most of them are true. Also if you want to watch that kind off stuff try Secret Space 1 before Illuminati. Im still waiting for DVD Rip of Secret Space 2, but theres only parts on youtube. I saw that Mike Ruperts lecture in Zeitgeist, but guy is a farse, no matter what evidence he produces. And I must admitt that Zeitgeist left bad feeling about it because it uses same brainwashing techniques as supposed conspirators do. There are numerous readings and watchings on that subject if you dont believe me. Even Illuminati addresses that subject. And if they want to brainwash me i dont trust them completely, that could be subliminal message of some kind that is supposed to produce reaction against mainstream media brainwashing. And yes i look like hippie(heavy metal fan actually) i dont care how i look as long as im healthy and i dont eat fancy food drink fancy stuff, my girlfriend is far from some magazine model, but guess what im happy. I dont have a loan, i dont pay taxes, i dont even have regular job. So im living proof that thing works. "Long live the fighters!" and "Worm is the spice, spice is the worm" are my favourite movie quotes. Favourite writer of light literature Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.
9/11 conspiracy: This is the one i was looking for someone said to me once there were evidence about twins being blown by explosives. I dont know about molten metal or sattelite thermal imagery, if they are true then someone did use thermite explosives to melt pylons. And yes i have said it before that the way they collapsed is way to precise for some random falling of parts. Mike Rupert said in his lecture even more about military exercise USAF was conducting. And what ive heard for the first time is that UK did the same thing. Believe it or not it is true. "Brave New World" and using their own methods to propagate anything is by my opinion faulty and contraproductive, or in some cases intentionally misguiding.
All those conspiracy theories made by Icke, Rupert, Moore, etc., are here to confuse people and giving them final blow to the mind before that final stage begins. If anyone should try to propagate that theory with undeniable evidence, he would be considered as not reliable but some crazy conspiracy theory lunatic. Chips are here already in use, and we all just have to wait till world is united under some government although first move will be unions and then some standards in the end world governement. It has been cooking for long time and that is why church protested when EU constitution was made that christianity was not made state religion, lobbies have pushed them out and priests are well aware of the things that follow, at least cardinals.
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Posted by Predobar: All those conspiracy theories made by Icke, Rupert, Moore, etc., are here to confuse people and giving them final blow to the mind before that final stage begins.
What do you think the final stage is? One government to rule the world?
It might be that Zeitgeist does have some brainwashing technigues, I don't doubt that
But if the facts they lay out in the movie, are true, then the whole thing kinda smells:
* Molten metal... how?
* How could two buildings, that was designed (according to the WTC engineers) to NOT fall down when a plane (boeing 707 I think he said) would hit it, suddenly collaps in a little over 10 seconds each - the same time it takes for a bowling ball to drop the distance, without any resistance ?
* And why was #7 the only surrounding building (right?) that collapsed, and it looked very much (or exactly?) like a controlled demolition, when it wasn't even hit.
* If it's true that the governments official reason for all 3 building collapses were "FIRE" - then how come no other STEEL building, before or after 9/11, has collapsed due to "fire"? (again, if this fact is even true...)
* Why won't FBI release the videos that shows a plane hitting Pentagon? The videos were (according to Zeitgeist) confiscated right after pentagon was "hit". And how come agents can clean up the place with their bear hands and then roll out dirt and gravel on the entire scene afterwards, covering up all evidence?
* What happend to all the debris etc from the planecrash in the woods? According to Zeitgeist, one of the coroners "stopped being a coroner after 10 minutes.. there were no bodies". People at the scene claimed it just looked like somebody dug a whole and put trash in it... didn't look like a commercial airliner crashed.
* And finally, why are most of the "hijackers" from 9/11 still alive and well in their home countries....? (I heard this one several times, but it might be a lie too.. I don't know).
If all the above are TRUE, then there's really something fishy about the whole thing. Unfortunately it's probably never gonna be possible to find out exaclty WHAT is the truth, as the "enemies of the truth" will always just launch a new conspiracy theory etc to disprove the assumed truth.
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EDIT: Grab yourself a coffee
What do you think the final stage is? One government to rule the world?
It would call itself a government but it would be few man, similar to monarchy, which will own corporations and banks which will rule the world. Corporations are trying to use Genetic Engineering to control the world food supply(sorry but subject is too long to give even a hint how),world bank forces countries to apply the ecomonics which only benefit western corporations(G8) justifications are same all the time, but my country is example how this works in early stages, they forced us to accept laws in 1999, those laws made us stagnate and even going into slight recession. Now they say those laws are faulty and that we must accept new laws to correct situation which is result of their first ultimatum.
If all the above are TRUE, then there's really something fishy about the whole thing. Unfortunately it's probably never gonna be possible to find out exaclty WHAT is the truth, as the "enemies of the truth" will always just launch a new conspiracy theory etc to disprove the assumed truth
They do provide strong evidence to public and once youre conditioned to believe everything you hear or see in documentary they guide you to belief that there is a governement conspiracy to rule the world. And that is the truth in the end. But you wont hear anywhere that real ploy they are pushing behind the scene (conspirators), not to allow people thinking on their own. Im not talking about education but selfthinking individuals able to act on their own outside standard rules. That is why this whole thing is made so everyone would keep thinking yeah we are doing something and fighting against world goverment, while they fail to realize that both Saddam Husein and Fidel Castro, had imposed laws that brought education to 98% or 99% of population, they had good and free health services available at same cost to citizens, those health services suffered in Iraq only because they impossed sanctions. You can make movies about this and that but if one tries to plow the barren field, one would not get the harvest. Denying knowledge plan predates even Egypt and its culture. Tribal and family rules were rudimental but efficient way doing the same thing. There would be a shaman or some leader who would know hidden secrets of the world and that he is the only one who can guide you to the right path. Same methods were used then, one could demonstrate its power if he could predict when flood period will start and when it would be eclipse (Apocalypto) and so on. Inquisition tried to manipulate knowledge also. Try to watch Universe documentary, there is a torrent, its not some conspiracy documentary it is plain good old astronomy, there you will find a living proof how this system works, scientists have proven some theories to be wrong, but they still teach those theories in schools even universities.**this i havent checked, dinosaurs** Another thing is about dinosaur remains in mexico, which has been proven by isotope age verification to be 12.000 years old. Scientists that make such discoveries end up being thrown out of their jobs and are not allowed to publish their work. If you play by the rules they have made youre already beaten, its like playing against the house. One cannot bring truth to the people using same methods they use to control them because you will either be proven wrong by some great scientist if they can put some logic to it and mucked as funny to read guy, or if you present your way in such manner that it cannot be disproven they will go into hyperproduction of simmilar theories to hide the truth and try to search some error you made in the past to mark you as not reliable, and if they cannot do that either than you lose your job, which if you lived by their rules to that time leads to loss of your home, health, in short everything, becuase you have 2 mortgages on the house car on a lease, health only if you have the money. This goes to both books and TV, but with much more emphasis on TV. Internet can be used to push some idea more efficient than TV and books, and what are they trying to do, make Internet2 because they havent realized while putting the internet up that it will be used in such manner. They though only on their agendas of making even more money and new mass media tool which will serve only them, but they were wrong. First TCP/IP protocol was written by group of scientists who worked for US department of defense,(read CIA), and until this day basic and fundamental protocols (through v.12 i think) were never been presented to public, public can use them but noone can have accces to code itself, i think i cant remember at this time but search the subject i think IANA has at least link to TCP/IP protocols, that the US government is still holding rights on those protocols and they are part of every communication made on the internet(talking about conspiracy). People dont realize they are being manipulated by commercials, life styles,etc., from their childhood, and they condition their offspring with same ideas over and over again. "Thats the way the life is" and other phrases are also a religion, give me one evidence that will prove it is the only way. I have started questioning religion because of the same thing back in 1994 or 1995, why would someone deny me knowledge and open mind. Same is if not worst with Kur`an, but you can see progress in kuran because there are strict laws on everyday life situations.
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, that part about NASA is hillarious. Disregard his conclusion worth watching only because of evidence.
