Joined: Feb '11
Location: Bulgaria
Age: 36 (M)
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Hello to everyone . I'm just wondering why some countries are banned in this site, but they aren't banned in the poker rooms. example - 888poker, i wan't to take the free $8 free (no deposit) , but i can't request them , 'cuz my country is in the banned list in this site, but in the poker room is not! Please excuse my bad english I hope u guys understood me
Joined: Nov '10
Location: Serbia
Age: 37 (M)
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Because they dont want give to some countries (like yours and mine) free money. Reason is because they are scared of frauds. Only thing that I cant understand also is why (for example) my country is banned for party poker NDB when I can take that NDB on every other site that offers same NDB! Guess that BRM is one who dont wont to give us those NDB...
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Posted by jessthehuman: I believe the decision on eligibility for each off is made by the poker-room only. I don't think BRM has a say in it at all.
And I believe it mostly comes down to:
A) A countries likely hood to have on average people who continue to deposit. B) A countries likely hood to have people trying to commit fraud.
I can mention other sites here but... There is some other sites who offers SAME ndb! and on those sites my country is not banned! (Party Poker for example) So...If only rooms decide which country could have NDB how we have this kind of situation?
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 40 (M)
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Yeah - I was writing my post as you wrote yours - I only saw it afterwards. I don't know - that was always the impression I had - you'll have to wait for admin I suppose.
I think some countries get banned because of a trend of ripping off affiliates. They generate millions of poker accounts and combine the money in some kind of scam.
Joined: Feb '11
Location: Bulgaria
Age: 36 (M)
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So what are you saying? All Serbians or all Bulgarians are doing that? Or (for example) all United Kingdom users are 'correct' poker players. From person to person is a big difference. You can't judge for entire country only by few black sheeps . anyway. Thank you for your posts. I don't expect anything to change, but this basicly is a discrimination. wow this was waaaay off-topic
Joined: Oct '09
Location: Lithuania
Age: 43 (M)
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my country also was banned and alot off sites think that we are dumb peoples and never gives chanses for us play for free no deposite real money but there are some sites who not ban us and we all can play there and enjoy poker good luck all and be happy
Joined: May '08
Location: Sweden
Age: 55 (M)
Posts: 1362
Posted by geban: So what are you saying? All Serbians or all Bulgarians are doing that? Or (for example) all United Kingdom users are 'correct' poker players. From person to person is a big difference. You can't judge for entire country only by few black sheeps . anyway. Thank you for your posts. I don't expect anything to change, but this basicly is a discrimination. wow this was waaaay off-topic
No, it is not about what "all" of one countrys players are doing. It's about system analytics.
If a certain precentage of the players from one country are trying to run scams, do not deposit, and do not earn the site rake, they might make the decision to close down the NDB for that country. Has nothing to do with you, or anyone else, as an individual player. This precentage might be small, or big, for different sites, but I belive it is the same for all countries.
I belive that countries with lower medium salaries are less likely to get NDB:s, because they have a bigger incentitive to abuse them, sadly enough, because these on the other hand are the people that would benefit most from NDB:s.
Has nothing to do with what anybody thinks of anybody else, it's just simple math.
Joined: Nov '10
Location: Serbia
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If you can only explain to me how you think that people from those scam countries benefit from NDB if they dont generate rake or deposit money? Think before you talk! Every site have condition for NDB! So, how do you think that someone will withdraw money and commit scam if you must generate rake from 1 to 3 times wort NDB and deposit to be able to withdraw? And how I can on some other site take Party poker NDB and on BRM I cant? That means that BRM is one who decide...
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Location: Sweden
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Posted by jovicakralj: If you can only explain to me how you think that people from those scam countries benefit from NDB if they dont generate rake or deposit money? Think before you talk! Every site have condition for NDB! So, how do you think that someone will withdraw money and commit scam if you must generate rake from 1 to 3 times wort NDB and deposit to be able to withdraw? And how I can on some other site take Party poker NDB and on BRM I cant? That means that BRM is one who decide...
Are you talking to me?
If you are: Well, it isn't rocketscience, is it?
I got three words for you: multiple accounts and chipdumping.
No offence, but if you couldn't figure that one out yourself, maybe you are not the right person to tell other people to think before they write a post?
About the Partypokerthing, I have no idea. Ask Tony.
Joined: Jan '08
Location: Denmark
Age: 44 (M)
Posts: 481
I belive pjot is right at some point. Think about it, if you run a buisness to earn money for you. Would you chose the one making the most profit in general or the one throwing all your money away? We would all chose the profit and skip the ones who will throw away the money. That will give us a better profit. And it is a fact that most players from east countrys have little knowledge in poker in general. When thats said, ofc there is many very good players from these countrys too. But in general i guess its not profitable. No offence, i have nothing against anybody.
and pjot I got three words for you: multiple accounts and chipdumping.
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Posted by etna2007:
and pjot I got three words for you: multiple accounts and chipdumping.
Thats 4 words
Yeah, I see your point. But I was thinking "multiple accounts" and "chipdumping". Not counting the "and".
But I can admit when I'm wrong. There was four words.
Edit: And I'm not saying it is a good system, and that it is just. I'm just saying it is the way it is. They must have some sort of businessdecision behind it, since I do not belive they make these selections becase they want to be mean against people.
Joined: Nov '10
Location: Serbia
Age: 37 (M)
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OK guys maybe I am idiot but far as I know you must prove your identity and you cant play from same PC or IP address? So how you can have multiple accounts? To buy new PC and another IP address to get 25$ for free Is that what you saying? I know what is reason (and that is not worse players from eastern Europe ) There is less chance that players from those countries with low standard will continue playing after clearing those NDB. Multiple accounts and bad players are not mean reasons for sure! I think worst players are not from those countries with low life standard! I think players from those countries will even generate more rake and make more effort to clear that NDB because it means more to them then to someone who have more money...
Joined: Jan '08
Location: Denmark
Age: 44 (M)
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Posted by jovicakralj: OK guys maybe I am idiot but far as I know you must prove your identity and you cant play from same PC or IP address? So how you can have multiple accounts? To buy new PC and another IP address to get 25$ for free Is that what you saying? I know what is reason (and that is not worse players from eastern Europe ) There is less chance that players from those countries with low standard will continue playing after clearing those NDB. Multiple accounts and bad players are not mean reasons for sure! I think worst players are not from those countries with low life standard! I think players from those countries will even generate more rake and make more effort to clear that NDB because it means more to them then to someone who have more money...
Just because the money mean more to them doesent mean they are better poker players. And there is many ways to make multi accounts and commit fraud with ID even tho you may not know how to do that.
LOL thats not the reason the Colombian IDs are one of the most secure in the whole world to prevent ID frauts... and anyway colombia is a banned country on all no deposit promotions on this planet
the only reason is they think we are on prehistoryc age yet hehehe and maybe is true we are almost to discover the fire! now i can warm my room whit a good torch until im on-line LOL
the other reason is for the devaluation of the money in colombia u can buy a beer whit 1$!
Joined: Nov '10
Location: Serbia
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Posted by etna2007:
Just because the money mean more to them doesent mean they are better poker players. And there is many ways to make multi accounts and commit fraud with ID even tho you may not know how to do that.
I didnt say they are better... I say they (we) are not worse then others. Just guy from Serbia will make much more effort to clear that NDB then someone from Denmark because that money means more to him... I see that I (from banned country) know less about committing a fraud then you
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 40 (M)
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Posted by jovicakralj: OK guys maybe I am idiot but far as I know you must prove your identity and you cant play from same PC or IP address? So how you can have multiple accounts? To buy new PC and another IP address to get 25$ for free Is that what you saying? I know what is reason (and that is not worse players from eastern Europe ) There is less chance that players from those countries with low standard will continue playing after clearing those NDB. Multiple accounts and bad players are not mean reasons for sure! I think worst players are not from those countries with low life standard! I think players from those countries will even generate more rake and make more effort to clear that NDB because it means more to them then to someone who have more money...
You can have many IP addresses from one PC - as many as you want actually. It's not hard.
I hope u guys understood me 
Think before you talk! 
